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  • phoronix
    started a topic Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop To Get Rid Of GNOME's Shell

    Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop To Get Rid Of GNOME's Shell

    Phoronix: Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop To Get Rid Of GNOME's Shell

    While GNOME 3.0 is expected to roll out in March and will boast the brand new GNOME Shell interface with the Mutter compositing window manager, this will not appear by default in the Ubuntu desktop. Certainly not in Ubuntu 11.04 and it doesn't look like it will be used at all in the future by default (granted, you'll be able to install the shell from a package repository). It's just been announced that beginning with Ubuntu 11.04, the desktop spin will begin using the Unity shell that Canonical originally developed for netbooks...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODcxNA

  • devius
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    Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
    Heeding your nice advice, I tried once more OpenSUSE, and I found some little surprises.
    So please, stop recommending OpenSUSE. It is a complete disaster. Proven once more!
    It's not a disaster for me. I had the opposite experience with Fedora vs openSUSE, where Fedora 13 was giving me lots of problems on my server so I changed it to openSUSE and now everything works flawlessly. I would recommend that someone with problems with one distro to try out another one. 'Tis the way of linux... you never know what to expect despite the many negative or positive comments a distro gets.

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  • NomadDemon
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    i had other problems with opensuse
    kde-
    restart = restart
    shut down = restart
    hibernate= restart
    suspend = restart

    gnome-
    restart = nothing
    shut down = nothing
    hibernate= nothing
    suspend = nothing
    + ugly look

    gnome under ubuntu looks very good, very nice themed etc

    no more opensuse for me

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  • Alejandro Nova
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    Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
    Stop making bullshit up. I use openSUSE on different PCs since 10.3, two of them with NVidia GPU (one with Radeon) and never were the NVidia drivers from the official repository causing kernel panics.
    Heeding your nice advice, I tried once more OpenSUSE, and I found some little surprises.

    1. I couldn't print, even after trying to compile cups and gutenprint. Fedora 14, OTOH, printed flawlessly.
    2. I was terribly wrong, NVIDIA doesn't segfault anymore to the console. It makes the entire KDE desktop segfault instead! How great!

    So please, stop recommending OpenSUSE. It is a complete disaster. Proven once more!

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  • devius
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    Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
    God dam it I just can't hold it in!!!... I LOVE WINDOWS 7's WALLPAPERS! especially the character ones!! I tried nicking them for my kde desktop but they just didn't look at home like they do on wondows!!
    Go on... let it all out We won't tell anyone. What I do like about windows is the fact that every software and hardware company on earth supports it. As for the OS itself, I'm so used to linux by now that having to use windows to do anything feels like a chore: "What??? I can't just enter 'sftp://myserver.com' on the address bar of the file browser to access my home server?? I need a third-party program for that?? AND I have to use the web to find one because there's no package manager??". It also sucks that it can't access any other filesystem apart from FAT and NTFS.

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  • Nevertime
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    Originally posted by devius View Post
    That's the problem! Unity ISN'T user friendly. You got the Meego part right. And it's not "at some point", it's now. Meego is way much better at being user friendly than Unity. I'm not sure about this, but if it is possible to install software on Meego from opensuse repositories, ubuntu looses its primary advantage.
    Yes unity is not ready yet, but ubuntu does like to release things early then fix it a few distros later. Meego will really take off when its on lots of peoples phones and everyone knows about it. I'm sure Ubuntu knows that days coming soon.

    Originally posted by devius View Post
    Oh... I didn't realize they stopped making virus, malware, spyware and all that shit for windows now so you don't need third-party software in order to feel more secure just browsing the web and installing programs. I also didn't notice its file system becoming more reliable and faster and not suffering from loss of performance due to file fragmentation, not to mention more secure with a proper security model. When did it stop using 1GB of ram and 15GB of disk space just for the OS alone? Anyway, I don't care about windows users switching to linux. I hope they don't. I like my OS virus/crap free and I also like being able to say "Sorry, I can't help you because I haven't used windows in a long time and don't remember" when my friends have a problem with their computer.
    Obviously I prefer Linux an choose to be a Linux user. I do realise I'm asking for criticism saying anything positive about windows on a linux forum but.... God dam it I just can't hold it in!!!... I LOVE WINDOWS 7's WALLPAPERS! especially the character ones!! I tried nicking them for my kde desktop but they just didn't look at home like they do on wondows!!

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  • devius
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    Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
    In Ubuntu's defence they are trying to be an entry level linux distro for converting windows users. Maybe creating a special ultra user friendly shell (If that is their ultimate goal) will help create the distro for that purpose. I'd imagine they will be facing big competion from meego at some point.
    That's the problem! Unity ISN'T user friendly. You got the Meego part right. And it's not "at some point", it's now. Meego is way much better at being user friendly than Unity. I'm not sure about this, but if it is possible to install software on Meego from opensuse repositories, ubuntu looses its primary advantage.

    Originally posted by Nevertime View Post
    Persuading people to switch from windows, now that windows is finally a good OS, will take a neat, slick and user friendly interface designed to course minimum confusion at every point.
    Oh... I didn't realize they stopped making virus, malware, spyware and all that shit for windows now so you don't need third-party software in order to feel more secure just browsing the web and installing programs. I also didn't notice its file system becoming more reliable and faster and not suffering from loss of performance due to file fragmentation, not to mention more secure with a proper security model. When did it stop using 1GB of ram and 15GB of disk space just for the OS alone? Anyway, I don't care about windows users switching to linux. I hope they don't. I like my OS virus/crap free and I also like being able to say "Sorry, I can't help you because I haven't used windows in a long time and don't remember" when my friends have a problem with their computer.

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  • Nevertime
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    Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
    But my opinion doesn't matter now; Shuttleworth has made up his mind, and they're taking Unity to the masses. I hope that the mass exodus away from Ubuntu that follows this foolish misstep will pick up some renewed interest in Fedora and OpenSUSE, who coincidentally happen to contribute quite a lot to the upstream projects Canonical relies upon.
    In Ubuntu's defence they are trying to be an entry level linux distro for converting windows users. Maybe creating a special ultra user friendly shell (If that is their ultimate goal) will help create the distro for that purpose. I'd imagine they will be facing big competion from meego at some point.

    Ubuntu is not about being everyone's perfect disrto their not mine, I use opensuse and their probably not yours. Users like you simply won't be their primary target. Yes their user base is huge right now but its at a peak and distros are going to have to focus more in future.

    I tried a lightweight computer user on kde recently and it showed me how even something seemingly as simple as kde can be confusing. Persuading people to switch from windows, now that windows is finally a good OS, will take a neat, slick and user friendly interface designed to course minimum confusion at every point.

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  • devius
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    Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
    Looks like Canonical fails to understand that different form factors require different design decisions.
    You are right. Always use the right tool for the job isn't that what they say? I think they may be trying to pull a "MacOS" move. What I mean is that the interface, as stupid as it might be on some form factors/screen resolutions doesn't change. They are aiming for consistency, which is something macs are known to offer, although that's not always a good thing. Sure it may work fine to have the menus from an application away from the actual application window on a latop with a 13" screen, but on a 27" it's ridiculous.
    Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
    I don't like the Unity UI for purely usability issues, as stated above.
    I tried the latest ubuntu netbook edition and it was one of the worst experiences I had on a netbook. So, I don't think it even works on its primary target.
    Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
    I don't like it so much that I have begun a migration of all my servers, desktops, and laptop away from Ubuntu and to OpenSUSE... OpenSUSE has since countered with the OpenSUSE Build Service, which is well on its way to competing directly with the wide selection of software in PPAs today.
    People always use the argument that ubuntu has more software and is more "compatible" (whatever that means), but I actually think it's easier to find and install software for openSUSE (software.opensuse.org FTW).
    Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
    As far as the desktop experience, I actually like the default GNOME 2.x shell customizations that OpenSUSE puts in, especially the Computer menu search function. And YaST Control Center is extremely powerful for those cases where I need something done and I don't remember or don't feel like typing the console command(s) for it.
    I was also surprised to see a gnome shell that didn't look and felt like every other gnome based distro out there. That "classic" gnome look might have been cool a few years ago, but the times have changed.

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  • allquixotic
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    Looks like Canonical fails to understand that different form factors require different design decisions. Unity is meant for netbooks and other limited screen size devices. Fine. Keep it there. Don't try to force it on ordinary desktop users, the majority of whom have at least one, if not two or more 1680x1050 monitors. The Unity UI looks terrible on big monitors, and it substitutes rugged functionality and customizability for "chic" factor. Not every device can/should be made to look and work like an iPhone. Stop trying to shoe-horn desktop workstations into that UI pattern. We don't need it; we don't want it.

    I'll sidestep the political issues this time; Bradley Kuhn has that covered anyway. I don't like the Unity UI for purely usability issues, as stated above. I don't like it so much that I have begun a migration of all my servers, desktops, and laptop away from Ubuntu and to OpenSUSE. I had traditionally supported Ubuntu mainly due to the wide array of third-party software available in PPAs without having to build from source. OpenSUSE has since countered with the OpenSUSE Build Service, which is well on its way to competing directly with the wide selection of software in PPAs today. As far as the desktop experience, I actually like the default GNOME 2.x shell customizations that OpenSUSE puts in, especially the Computer menu search function. And YaST Control Center is extremely powerful for those cases where I need something done and I don't remember or don't feel like typing the console command(s) for it. And I doubt that Novell will try to pull a stupid stunt like this. Or if they do, it's off to Fedora for me; I KNOW Red Hat won't pull a stupid stunt like this.

    Unity is definitely not a one-size-fits-all UI, and that much is obvious to anyone who uses it for a significant period in a business or workstation environment. Keep it in the UNR, fine; but don't shove it on normal desktop users!

    But my opinion doesn't matter now; Shuttleworth has made up his mind, and they're taking Unity to the masses. I hope that the mass exodus away from Ubuntu that follows this foolish misstep will pick up some renewed interest in Fedora and OpenSUSE, who coincidentally happen to contribute quite a lot to the upstream projects Canonical relies upon.

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