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i had other problems with opensuse
kde-
restart = restart
shut down = restart
hibernate= restart
suspend = restart
gnome-
restart = nothing
shut down = nothing
hibernate= nothing
suspend = nothing
+ ugly look
gnome under ubuntu looks very good, very nice themed etc
no more opensuse for me
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Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View PostStop making bullshit up. I use openSUSE on different PCs since 10.3, two of them with NVidia GPU (one with Radeon) and never were the NVidia drivers from the official repository causing kernel panics.
1. I couldn't print, even after trying to compile cups and gutenprint. Fedora 14, OTOH, printed flawlessly.
2. I was terribly wrong, NVIDIA doesn't segfault anymore to the console. It makes the entire KDE desktop segfault instead! How great!
So please, stop recommending OpenSUSE. It is a complete disaster. Proven once more!
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Originally posted by Nevertime View PostGod dam it I just can't hold it in!!!... I LOVE WINDOWS 7's WALLPAPERS! especially the character ones!! I tried nicking them for my kde desktop but they just didn't look at home like they do on wondows!!
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Originally posted by devius View PostThat's the problem! Unity ISN'T user friendly. You got the Meego part right. And it's not "at some point", it's now. Meego is way much better at being user friendly than Unity. I'm not sure about this, but if it is possible to install software on Meego from opensuse repositories, ubuntu looses its primary advantage.
Originally posted by devius View PostOh... I didn't realize they stopped making virus, malware, spyware and all that shit for windows now so you don't need third-party software in order to feel more secure just browsing the web and installing programs. I also didn't notice its file system becoming more reliable and faster and not suffering from loss of performance due to file fragmentation, not to mention more secure with a proper security model. When did it stop using 1GB of ram and 15GB of disk space just for the OS alone? Anyway, I don't care about windows users switching to linux. I hope they don't. I like my OS virus/crap free and I also like being able to say "Sorry, I can't help you because I haven't used windows in a long time and don't remember" when my friends have a problem with their computer.
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Originally posted by Nevertime View PostIn Ubuntu's defence they are trying to be an entry level linux distro for converting windows users. Maybe creating a special ultra user friendly shell (If that is their ultimate goal) will help create the distro for that purpose. I'd imagine they will be facing big competion from meego at some point.
Originally posted by Nevertime View PostPersuading people to switch from windows, now that windows is finally a good OS, will take a neat, slick and user friendly interface designed to course minimum confusion at every point.
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Originally posted by allquixotic View PostBut my opinion doesn't matter now; Shuttleworth has made up his mind, and they're taking Unity to the masses. I hope that the mass exodus away from Ubuntu that follows this foolish misstep will pick up some renewed interest in Fedora and OpenSUSE, who coincidentally happen to contribute quite a lot to the upstream projects Canonical relies upon.
Ubuntu is not about being everyone's perfect disrto their not mine, I use opensuse and their probably not yours. Users like you simply won't be their primary target. Yes their user base is huge right now but its at a peak and distros are going to have to focus more in future.
I tried a lightweight computer user on kde recently and it showed me how even something seemingly as simple as kde can be confusing. Persuading people to switch from windows, now that windows is finally a good OS, will take a neat, slick and user friendly interface designed to course minimum confusion at every point.
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Originally posted by allquixotic View PostLooks like Canonical fails to understand that different form factors require different design decisions.
Originally posted by allquixotic View PostI don't like the Unity UI for purely usability issues, as stated above.
Originally posted by allquixotic View PostI don't like it so much that I have begun a migration of all my servers, desktops, and laptop away from Ubuntu and to OpenSUSE... OpenSUSE has since countered with the OpenSUSE Build Service, which is well on its way to competing directly with the wide selection of software in PPAs today.
Originally posted by allquixotic View PostAs far as the desktop experience, I actually like the default GNOME 2.x shell customizations that OpenSUSE puts in, especially the Computer menu search function. And YaST Control Center is extremely powerful for those cases where I need something done and I don't remember or don't feel like typing the console command(s) for it.
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Looks like Canonical fails to understand that different form factors require different design decisions. Unity is meant for netbooks and other limited screen size devices. Fine. Keep it there. Don't try to force it on ordinary desktop users, the majority of whom have at least one, if not two or more 1680x1050 monitors. The Unity UI looks terrible on big monitors, and it substitutes rugged functionality and customizability for "chic" factor. Not every device can/should be made to look and work like an iPhone. Stop trying to shoe-horn desktop workstations into that UI pattern. We don't need it; we don't want it.
I'll sidestep the political issues this time; Bradley Kuhn has that covered anyway. I don't like the Unity UI for purely usability issues, as stated above. I don't like it so much that I have begun a migration of all my servers, desktops, and laptop away from Ubuntu and to OpenSUSE. I had traditionally supported Ubuntu mainly due to the wide array of third-party software available in PPAs without having to build from source. OpenSUSE has since countered with the OpenSUSE Build Service, which is well on its way to competing directly with the wide selection of software in PPAs today. As far as the desktop experience, I actually like the default GNOME 2.x shell customizations that OpenSUSE puts in, especially the Computer menu search function. And YaST Control Center is extremely powerful for those cases where I need something done and I don't remember or don't feel like typing the console command(s) for it. And I doubt that Novell will try to pull a stupid stunt like this. Or if they do, it's off to Fedora for me; I KNOW Red Hat won't pull a stupid stunt like this.
Unity is definitely not a one-size-fits-all UI, and that much is obvious to anyone who uses it for a significant period in a business or workstation environment. Keep it in the UNR, fine; but don't shove it on normal desktop users!
But my opinion doesn't matter now; Shuttleworth has made up his mind, and they're taking Unity to the masses. I hope that the mass exodus away from Ubuntu that follows this foolish misstep will pick up some renewed interest in Fedora and OpenSUSE, who coincidentally happen to contribute quite a lot to the upstream projects Canonical relies upon.
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Originally posted by movieman View PostKDE in particular seems to leave turds around the place whenever I run a KDE app on a Gnome desktop, and yesterday I was somewhat bemused when a dialog box popped up on my Gnome laptop telling me that KDE had discovered that an audio device had been removed, then I realised that I was running k3b from my server displaying on my laptop over ssh forwarding so I could burn a CD of an Ubuntu ISO, and KDE was clearly getting mighty confused.
Ubuntu need to set up Phonon properly so that when a KDE app requiring sound output is launched it works properly. They should integrate Phonon settings into the Gnome audio settings dialogues as well.
I think it's now time for distros to accept that Gnome users use KDE software and KDE users use Gnome software :-)
Of course that's obvious to us that users have done for ages but an outsider would never guess that's the case by the way the two desktops have their settings and controls are so separated from each other even when dealing with the same aspects of the same same machine.
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