Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop To Get Rid Of GNOME's Shell

[movieman]

I have to agree with you that for many, their own personal "perfect" setup comes from a range of Gnome AND KDE based stuff.

This is part of the problem with wanting to build a 'desktop environment', because too often programs written for one don't play nice with programs written for another.

KDE in particular seems to leave turds around the place whenever I run a KDE app on a Gnome desktop, and yesterday I was somewhat bemused when a dialog box popped up on my Gnome laptop telling me that KDE had discovered that an audio device had been removed, then I realised that I was running k3b from my server displaying on my laptop over ssh forwarding so I could burn a CD of an Ubuntu ISO, and KDE was clearly getting mighty confused.

[mugginz]

What is up with this, "We are a GNOME distribution" and "We are a KDE distribution" nonsense?

Seriously, there is some apps from the GNOME camp that works better, and some from KDE camp.

Grow up people! This is not a feud, let the better app win!

I have to agree with you that for many, their own personal "perfect" setup comes from a range of Gnome AND KDE based stuff.

Ultimately I think it's going to be up to the individual distros to correct any integration issues that say a KDE app has on a Gnome desktop where possible, but it'd be nice to see as part of the standard test suite trialling how an app runs in "the other guy's" desktop.

No doubt people will poo poo your perspective because there are those who believe that you can have a really great install with just the DE blessed apps and nothing from the other camp is required. While for some this is actually true, for those that it isn't true for they have to fiddle and fudge away the issues themselves. :-(

[grigi]

Firstly, apologies for derailing this thread. That was not my intention.
Secondly, very much disappointed that I actually got distracted by trying to be reasonable.
Thirdly, I actually got offended, which is unusual.

Doose.

[Alejandro Nova]

Agreed. I've used opensuse on multiple computers including ones with nvidia gpus... sad that people hate on a distro just because they don't know how to install a driver.

As for apt vs zypper, they're almost the same except zypper has more functionality. I don't see why someone would use apt over zypper unless the just came from a debian distro and didn't realize that they simple need to write zypper instead of apt-get... That's why they dropped apt for suse right? There was 0 advantage in using apt so it was a waste the time.

If silly little deb fanboys, who think it at all about the 3 little letters at the end of package files, gave opensuse a proper chance and checked out the build service they'd see the old arguments of deb vs rpm are dead. It doesn't matter any more... not that there's really any real difference anyway.

Interesting, but my trolling comes from actual experience, not cheap flame-baiting. Also... can you indicate me the "right" way to install NVIDIA drivers in OpenSUSE?. Last time I checked, NVIDIA itself had a repository ( ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.3/ ), I installed drivers from there, and I got a flow of kernel panics absent in every other distro tried here (Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu, to name a few).

[Nexus6]

Because YOU spread it

Thank you. I was wondering if anyone would spot that :-)

[KAMiKAZOW]

I dare you to actually ask yourself the question why there is so much cross-DE hate?

Because YOU spread it

[grigi]

Sigh.
Stop considering everything through rose-filtered glasses.

I dare you to actually ask yourself the question why there is so much cross-DE hate?

[KAMiKAZOW]

No, that is my point. They *DON'T* work together on back end services.

Stop spreading lies.
They collaborate on back-end services, within freedesktop.org, co-host their annual conferences every two years (Guadec and Akademy together as Desktop Summit), etc.

[grigi]

No, that is my point. They *DON'T* work together on back end services.
And If I want to write an app, that should appear and behave properly on KDE/Gnome/Xfce/etc... I can't.

DBus, PackageKit (or old HAL), is the exception, not the norm.

Note: DE is not all the apps behind it. It is just the DE. Why do I need to do hacks to get KDE apps working ok-ish in a Gnome-centric desktop. Why?
Why do I need hacks to get GTK apps to work ok-ish in a KDE-centric desktop.
Why?

*That* is my point.

When will this political nonsense stop?

[KAMiKAZOW]

"Inconsistent Experience" -> only because politics and NIHS (Not Invented Here Syndrome) is ruining it for all. Gnome and KDE guys just plain refuse to work together. It almost seems like the few times they get it right is almost by accident..

I'm happy that GNOME and KDE don't have the same usability guidelines because I can't that the GNOME one. If they looked and behaved the same, there was no point in having more than one DE project at all.

GNOME and KDE work together on back-end services (DBus, PackageKit, etc.) and that's where it counts.