LLVM Replaces libstdc++ Library With libc++

[RealNC]

That "crackpot" wrote the GCC compiler, which Apple is spending money porting.

Good luck not using GCC.

Some people really lack a sense of perspective...

...or appreciation.

[pingufunkybeat]

That "crackpot" wrote the GCC compiler, which Apple is spending money porting.

Good luck not using GCC.

Some people really lack a sense of perspective...

[NoEffex]

Apple knows that with open source they have outside contributors (And don't have to waste X much money on devs).

They reason they want to do it is because they're spending so much money on maintaining GCC ports, that they figured it'd be easier just to do that. That's why pretty much the entire project goal is portability, with minor speed goals and stuff.

I have no problems whatsoever with using it. In fact, TBH I'd rather use it than some crackpot named Richard Stallman's stuff (He thinks big brother is watching him at all times).

[pingufunkybeat]

Oh wait, they actually wrote most of it

No, hell no, and no.

[RealNC]

Yeah, like Webkit that they completely stole and don't let anyone use, and is full of DRM...

Oh wait, they actually wrote most of it and open sourced it when they had no obligation to.

Ha ha. They had an obligation to, or else they would be violating the GPL since as kraftman said, Webkit is based on the KDE project's KHTML.

[kraftman]

Yeah, like Webkit that they completely stole and don't let anyone use, and is full of DRM...

Oh wait, they actually wrote most of it and open sourced it when they had no obligation to.

Yeah right. Webkit is a khtml fork, so rather they should be thankful.

[srg_13]

Not once Apple steals the BSD-licensed code and puts it in DRM- and EULA-stiffled software that takes away user's freedom. I care about my users, and I want to do everything I can so that they retain full control of their computers. Why? For selfish reasons of course, because I count myself as a user too.

Deanjo, you seem to be sent by one of these proprietary companies to astroturf against free and open source software. On every article, on every thread, you push for the proprietary option or the one that allows for denying user freedoms.

Yeah, like Webkit that they completely stole and don't let anyone use, and is full of DRM...

Oh wait, they actually wrote most of it and open sourced it when they had no obligation to.

[Svartalf]

Let's distribute some tin foil hats. Paranoia is sinking in.

Nahh... deanjo tends to act in a manner that runs hot and cold- and tends to invite varying levels of abuse heaped on him in the forum. He's done things that might lead one to think of him along those lines, right or wrong. He definitely acts along the lines of a classic Astroturfer from the OS2 era of antics from Microsoft. So much so, I question his motives and thoughts (and did so in a civil manner in this thread...) from time to time. There's times where we seem to know where the man stands, and others...it's not even remotely clear what is going on on the other end of the 'net in his case.

[kgonzales]

In theory that's right. But I'm just pointing out a pattern that I've noticed with a particular user (deanjo). Given M$'s and Apple's billions of dollars, it is trivial for them to hire "PR interns" (aka. well-disguised trolls) whose sole purpose is to blackmouth and discredit Linux and FOSS on sites like Phoronix (which are relatively few), while at the same time pushing for proprietary solutions that don't protect users' rights. I'm sure Steve Jobs or Bill Gates would find creating mindshare in this manner quite amusing.

Let's distribute some tin foil hats. Paranoia is sinking in.

[kraftman]

Sure it does. The original code and any subsequent contribution back remains free as well. If someone does not contribute back to the project it is their code they are deciding not to do it with. The original code stays free.

Yes, but I meant the code+new code, new versions.