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Red Hat does have some very large customers using it on the desktop but suffice to say that what you consider missing features and what customers want from Red Hat are different. The big picture is that, the choice of desktop environment is irrelevant to many of what is really important to customers. Red Hat continues to invest heavily on those core technologies including being the largest contributor to Xorg as a distribution vendor.
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostI am not focusing on it because I am not in the desktop team.
Also development focus doesn't switch from one thing to another without very significant reasons and none of your reasons you cite such as "sorting of icons" are really important enough for Red Hat customers and when there is such a demand, I am pretty sure Red Hat can implement such features within GNOME rather than switch to another desktop environment. KDE is fully supported within RHEL as well anyway.
So the real question, why be against one company's focus on a desktop environment even if it is not your personal preference when the alternative is supported as well? Can you make a commercial justification for any reason to focus on an alternative? If you can, talk to Red Hat directly. Not me.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostI know your main focus is Gnome and while QT isn't proprietary since long time I wonder why you're still focusing on it?
So the real question, why be against one company's focus on a desktop environment even if it is not your personal preference when the alternative is supported as well? Can you make a commercial justification for any reason to focus on an alternative? If you can, talk to Red Hat directly. Not me.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostThere are probably many more disadvantages and Gnome development seems to be in stagnancy. If you read some mailing list discussion it seems they don't know where to go in the future.
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Originally posted by srg_13 View PostWhat the hell? What distro are you using because either their Gnome install is messed up or you've somehow broken it...
Then there are those NFS mounted directories, that when become unresponsive, have the effect of making all my desktop stuff disappear.
Then there is that Trash icon that looks like there is stuff in it, but when I open it, it is empty.
Then there is that CD icon on the desktop, but the CD has long been ejected.
Then there is that "Create folder" that sometimes takes forever, and sometimes does not create anything until you click around in the Nautilus windows.
Then there are times when some directories disappear from Nautilus and I have to refresh to view them again.
Then there is the "Open with > Add", where the list of applications to choose is not sorted and many entries are repeated over and over
Then there are the icons in the top panel of the Desktop that when the screen resolution change temporarily (for instance launching a full screen game), do not keep the position when the old resolution is restored.
Then ... etc. etc
In any case I doubt it is a problem related to the distribution. The
defects are so many and so varied that this cannot be the case.
And I am not taking here of a single computer. I administer tens of computers, with different hardware and all show the same problems.
P.S.: F2 and drag do not work on the *tree* panel, not the view panel.
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Originally posted by BlackStar View PostGnome is very customizable. If you don't like the defaults of a specific distro, you are free to change them or pick another distro with better defaults.
Besides, this kind of logic doesn't make sense: Kubuntu sucks hence KDE sucks. I'm sure there's a name for this kind of fallacy but I have better things to do than search wikipedia right now.
Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostIf you want to ask Red Hat's opinions, you will have to find someone in the desktop team to talk to. I am not that person but if you want my personal opinions, I can tell you that.
I would note that Fedora doesn't modify GNOME upstream default settings much if at all since Fedora in general prefers to work with upstream as closely as possible. Red Hat does have a fairly large KDE team and the work being done within the growing KDE community of contributors in Fedora is exciting as well.
Red Hat has been a strong contributor to GNOME from the very early days (KDE wasn't a option then because of dependency on Qt which was then proprietary)
and has continued to invest heavily including GNOME Shell at the moment.
...like sorting icons, setting up a screen saver, compositions without some third party software and to move min/max/close buttons you've got to edit some file
It is important however to recognize that a lot of the desktop investments such as D-Bus, NetworkManager or PulseAudio or PolicyKit to cite some recent examples are not tied to a single desktop environment and benefits everyone.
So if you are using Linux on the desktop and even if you are using KDE, you still benefit from the work that Red Hat has continued to do. So regardless of your preference, you can be happy about that.
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Originally posted by drag View PostI don't think that Gnome Shell will make it for the Gnome 3.0 release. So I think Gnome is still going to default to regular Metacity. Gnome Shell's basic functionality requires composited desktop and such so there really is no way to use that without 3D support and such.
In Fedora 12, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental package to get the experimental 3D support for a number of ATI chipsets and in Fedora 13, this package will have 3D support for Nvidia via the Nouveau driver.
In my Fedora 13 development system, I have
# rpm -ql mesa-dri-drivers-experimental
/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so
/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_vieux_dri.so
/usr/lib/dri/vmwgfx_dri.so
While there is still work to be done including performance and power management, enormous progress has been made in the last six to eight months and I think by oct, we would be in a state where we can run GNOME Shell out of the box for the large majority of modern desktops. I think, there is a fall back option for users who prefer running the older GNOME panel as well.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostI'm not interested in such bull. It's not sane, not intuitive and its apps sucks a lot. It's far from being consistent too. Btw. You probably didn't tried Fedora, because Gnome defaults are terrible there. If you try it, you'll probably realize they don't care about desktop. I want to hear REAL reasons and I want to hear it from Red Hat guys, because I'm not interested in other people opinions in this case.
I would note that Fedora doesn't modify GNOME upstream default settings much if at all since Fedora in general prefers to work with upstream as closely as possible. Red Hat does have a fairly large KDE team and the work being done within the growing KDE community of contributors in Fedora is exciting as well.
Red Hat has been a strong contributor to GNOME from the very early days (KDE wasn't a option then because of dependency on Qt which was then proprietary) and has continued to invest heavily including GNOME Shell at the moment. It is important however to recognize that a lot of the desktop investments such as D-Bus, NetworkManager or PulseAudio or PolicyKit to cite some recent examples are not tied to a single desktop environment and benefits everyone.
So if you are using Linux on the desktop and even if you are using KDE, you still benefit from the work that Red Hat has continued to do. So regardless of your preference, you can be happy about that.
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Originally posted by BlackStar View PostBesides, this kind of logic doesn't make sense: Kubuntu sucks hence KDE sucks. I'm sure there's a name for this kind of fallacy but I have better things to do than search wikipedia right now.
"All philosophers are mortal.
All philosophers are men.
Therefore, all men are mortal."
Somehow, philosophers were always involved in the examples they used to make us learn this stuff. And quite often in unfortunate circumstances such as in the one above.
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Originally posted by kraftman View PostI'm not interested in such bull. It's not sane, not intuitive and its apps sucks a lot. It's far from being consistent too. Btw. You probably didn't tried Fedora, because Gnome defaults are terrible there. If you try it, you'll probably realize they don't care about desktop. I want to hear REAL reasons and I want to hear it from Red Hat guys, because I'm not interested in other people opinions in this case.
Besides, this kind of logic doesn't make sense: Kubuntu sucks hence KDE sucks. I'm sure there's a name for this kind of fallacy but I have better things to do than search wikipedia right now.
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