KDE Software Compilation 4.3.4 Released

[BlackStar]

Yes, that was the entire point. But for those who like to have a desktop from the stoneage I made a screenshot in which I'd like to point ou that you can configure the Plasma desktop to behave like the 20yo desktop concept, Amarok 2.x to behave like Amarok 1.x with just 3 mouseclicks and the Win9x aera KDE 3.x decoration and icons: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9...e35suckage.png

That's still ugly, but more bearable. That's why there are diehard KDE 3.x users, I guess. :P

Why? Because in standard view everything is a widget, including the icons. Don't like the new way KDE4 works? Right-click your desktop and set it to behave like folder-view. Don't like the sidebars? No shit; they are meant for customising your desktop. Righ-click and ' lock widgets' and it's not comming up again.

Aha, thanks for the tip! I've got them to play nice now, but it would have helped if the sidebars had any kind of pop-up documentation as to their purpose.

WRT composition, I am running inside VirtualBox and even though the compositor would probably run (Compiz works, so kwin should too), the performance tradeoff would be too high. I'll give it a try, but I doubt it will be able to run fast on 512MB memory and virtualized 3d.

[GreekGeek]

Default KDE 4.xxx has one thing really wrong! - No Xsnow.

Hi yall & Vincent,

that does surely look xmousey, but I just really, really gotta have my XSNOW. :-D

Load it on XFCE & see what I mean?

NOTHING beats Santa bouncing accross the screen, prezies bouncing & all that wind swept snow, says I.

Desktop Effectz is nice, but with ATI drivers, things turn ugly really fast, when watching video & so I do not use Compiz etc. Still, the ATI devz do make progress, under-resourced as they are.

So, back to Gnome-age, for my Xsnow. :-P

GreekGeek :-)

[V!NCENT]

Oh $god, this looks... awful. I get dizzy just looking at that screenshot! Don't tell me the snow is animated, too?

Yes, that was the entire point. But for those who like to have a desktop from the stoneage I made a screenshot in which I'd like to point ou that you can configure the Plasma desktop to behave like the 20yo desktop concept, Amarok 2.x to behave like Amarok 1.x with just 3 mouseclicks and the Win9x aera KDE 3.x decoration and icons: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9...e35suckage.png

Btw, does anyone like the intrusive sidebar that appears when you hover an icon in KDE? The first time I saw that, I was startled: "wtf is this gray thing doing here, and why is it larger than the icon?"

Why? Because in standard view everything is a widget, including the icons. Don't like the new way KDE4 works? Right-click your desktop and set it to behave like folder-view. Don't like the sidebars? No shit; they are meant for customising your desktop. Righ-click and ' lock widgets' and it's not comming up again.

Also the drag&drop animation, oh the horror! The icon becomes translucent (which is nice) but its text turns into a fugly, non-antialiased mess. (Maybe the compositor can fix that, but I cannot use it for other reasons).

KDE4 is geared to compisiting. You should enable it because it improves the entire experience by a factor of 10. For example: on insanely high resolutions (think above 1080i) everything scales up, including text.

With all due respect it sucks cock?

Surely, it is the high level of technical commentary what keeps me coming back to Phoronix.

It seems you know quite a fair bit about cock.





Not that ders anything wrong with that.

Excuse me. What I meant to say was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlc1u...eature=related

PS: You can even let Kicker behave like KDE 3.x

[L33F3R]

Gnome suits peoples needs, but from a capability and tech perspective it SUCKS COCK!

You haven't been following Phoronix too much: it's the buggy Intel crap driver that sucks cock

It seems you know quite a fair bit about cock.





Not that ders anything wrong with that.

[yotambien]

Gnome, with all due respect, is technologically inferior to KDE4.[...]

Gnome suits peoples needs, but from a capability and tech perspective it SUCKS COCK!

With all due respect it sucks cock?

Surely, it is the high level of technical commentary what keeps me coming back to Phoronix.

[BlackStar]

Adding some plasmoids cause the panel (or-what-kde-calls-it) to be completely messed up. It grows, other buttons (plasmoids) disappear, overlap or are moved out of the screen and the whole thing can just move somewhere else. It goes to the top of the screen but some parts of it stick out from the bottom. Thats just for adding some (standard) plasmoids. Total disaster.
Granted, I didnt experience a crash-kind-of instability.

They just fit very nice in my opinion and when you resize them, they don't loose quality. Btw. can you add such plasmoids (or applets) to your Gnomes panel and if yes, doesn't they look ugly when you resize it?

You can add applets and they look just fine when you resize the panel. SVG ftw, baby!

Btw, does anyone like the intrusive sidebar that appears when you hover an icon in KDE? The first time I saw that, I was startled: "wtf is this gray thing doing here, and why is it larger than the icon?"

Also the drag&drop animation, oh the horror! The icon becomes translucent (which is nice) but its text turns into a fugly, non-antialiased mess. (Maybe the compositor can fix that, but I cannot use it for other reasons).

I could go on with the click animation on icons (which causes them to change size, aka "hey, let's add animations everywhere!"), the ugly white text border on desktop icons, the aggressive default theme... There's so much to like in KDE, but damn its screws could use some tightening.

I guess most people can ignore those minor details, but I'm a graphics programmer and my eyes are conditioned to seek out inconsistencies... (oh, my life surely would have been simpler if not for that!)

[BlackStar]

@GreekGeek,

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow

KDE snow on my desktop now -> http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8014/letitsnow.png

Oh $god, this looks... awful. I get dizzy just looking at that screenshot! Don't tell me the snow is animated, too?

It would be rather cool if snow actually accumulated on immobile windows and the taskbar, but I don't think I'd ever use something like that on my desktop! To each his own I guess.

[V!NCENT]

@GreekGeek,

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow

KDE snow on my desktop now -> http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8014/letitsnow.png

[kraftman]

Adding some plasmoids cause the panel (or-what-kde-calls-it) to be completely messed up. It grows, other buttons (plasmoids) disappear, overlap or are moved out of the screen and the whole thing can just move somewhere else. It goes to the top of the screen but some parts of it stick out from the bottom. Thats just for adding some (standard) plasmoids. Total disaster.
Granted, I didnt experience a crash-kind-of instability.

They just fit very nice in my opinion and when you resize them, they don't loose quality. Btw. can you add such plasmoids (or applets) to your Gnomes panel and if yes, doesn't they look ugly when you resize it?

Can you point out which plasmoid replaces the gnome-system-monitor applet in kde (I need cpu graph, memory:[programs, cache], swap) and is efficient in operation?

Of course - system applet monitor which looks very nice IMHO. I'm not sure if I gave you a correct name. Btw. I don't consider such things to be very important. I can say Gnome sux, because it doesn't have bubble-monitor applet, but it would be stupid.

Maybe if it worked smoothly and looked nice (anti-aliasing), it wouldnt be such a pain in the ass. Now it is slow and ugly, which is much worse than just useless.

Your opinion It works slow, but it's rather drivers problem (but the same can be said about some Gnomes performance problems).

Thats bad indeed, but you change the behavior easily and forget it forever. As a matter of fact at first I didnt even know what you were talking about. Only after a while I remembered it (damn you =).

Yes, it's not a big problem, but if some user switch to Linux (maybe to Fedora in this case) this thing can give him a bad first impression. However, let's say it's just a Fedora problem

Its interesting, I didn't see any performance issues in gnome at all. Its all smooth (with exception for some driver-related, circumventable rendering problems).

I'm talking mainly about this exception (but it also affects KDE in some way). However, I found qt apps are more responsive (esspecialy their interface, but this also can be just drivers related).

Gnome is clean, easy, fully functional, and appealing. Its looks are actually very much inspired by macosX. There are plenty of themes to fit your esthetical needs and its functionality exceeds that of windows (explorer) easily (especially coupled with nautilus extensions).
Maybe you looked at some (much) earlier versions of gnome, which truly were quite useless (and ugly). One notable example is eog, which used to be a total piece-of-shit-of-a-memory-hog but now is probably the best image viewer out there. Its quick, efficient and above all ergonomic (quick panning and zooming with the scroll wheel to what is pointed by the mouse is the shit). There is plenty of evolutionary usability improvements in gnome, which can go unnoticed to someone who dont use it regularly.

Yes, when last I tried it there was this Eye of Gnome thing :>

[GreekGeek]

Default KDE 4.xxx has one thing really wrong! - No Xsnow.

Hi yall & Vincent,

thanks for the heads up man. :-)

I do know about XGL-snow and there are one or two issues runnng "Desktop Effects," with ATI's driver "blob."

ATI/AMD need to put some more $$$$, into Driver R&D & Q&A. The farce of releasing xvba in one release & then wreaking it in the following, must make the Nvidia guys wet them selves with laughter.... :-P

What I would like, is Xsnow, on KDE for xmas. Oh and a Free Tibet, world peace and no one wanting for food or shelter... Um, but that is off topic. ;-)

Yeah, Xsnow.

GreekGeek :-)