KDE Plasma 6.3 To Offer Better Night Light Mode On HDR Displays

[phoronix]

Phoronix: KDE Plasma 6.3 To Offer Better Night Light Mode On HDR Displays

KDE KWin developer Xaver Hugl is out with a new blog post on his quest of providing optimal High Dynamic Range (HDR) display experience with the KDE desktop. The latest focus by Xaver has been on fixing the "night light" mode support under KDE Plasma on HDR displays...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/KDE-Plasma-6.3-Night-Light-HDR

[Danny3]

And this is why I hate the Linux fragmentation so much with so many distros and DEs!
And that is made even worse by the already existing Linux users who are recommending to new users whatever distro and DE they are using not caring at all about the future of Linux.

In my opinion, HDR, night light and other things would be much more error less and much more advanced if the existing Linux users would donate and recommned to new users the mainstream and already good distros and DEs.

As an example, recommending Linux Mint for so long and still doing it noways, while their developers refuse to support in any way KDE Plasma and Gnome does a very big disservice to the advancement of Wayland, HDR and night light on Linux.
If KDE and Gnome had more users and donations, many more bugs would've been solved already Linux would've had a higher market share.
People coming from Windows, where most of the things already work, are not so forgiving and patient with Linux when they can just easily go back where all these little issues are solved.

Really sad to see how Ubuntu and Linux Mint developers are monkeying around and wasting money instead of helping these two very good DEs to solve all the remaining issues!
And really sad to see that the existing Linux users still recommend these two distros like crazy!

[anda_skoa]

recommned to new users the mainstream and already good distros and DEs.

Most users do exactly that.

Really sad to see how Ubuntu and Linux Mint developers are monkeying around and wasting money instead of helping these two very good DEs to solve all the remaining issues!
And really sad to see that the existing Linux users still recommend these two distros like crazy!

You just insisted that people should recommend main stream distros and Ubuntu is one of those.

So are you hypocritically one of those users who go against your suggestion and recommend something else?

[skeevy420]

And this is why I hate the Linux fragmentation so much with so many distros and DEs!
And that is made even worse by the already existing Linux users who are recommending to new users whatever distro and DE they are using not caring at all about the future of Linux.

In my opinion, HDR, night light and other things would be much more error less and much more advanced if the existing Linux users would donate and recommned to new users the mainstream and already good distros and DEs.

As an example, recommending Linux Mint for so long and still doing it noways, while their developers refuse to support in any way KDE Plasma and Gnome does a very big disservice to the advancement of Wayland, HDR and night light on Linux.
If KDE and Gnome had more users and donations, many more bugs would've been solved already Linux would've had a higher market share.
People coming from Windows, where most of the things already work, are not so forgiving and patient with Linux when they can just easily go back where all these little issues are solved.

Really sad to see how Ubuntu and Linux Mint developers are monkeying around and wasting money instead of helping these two very good DEs to solve all the remaining issues!
And really sad to see that the existing Linux users still recommend these two distros like crazy!

As a long time KDE user, there really isn't a good KDE distribution that caters to new users to recommend. I use CachyOS or Arch, but those aren't what I'd consider to be "new user distributions". Other decent KDE options are Fedora, Bazzite, Tumbleweed, and NixOS but, aside from maybe Bazzite or Tumbleweed, those aren't, "new user distributions" either. Practically everything else that's left is GNOME-based or Ubuntu-based.

The problem with Ubuntu-based is that eventually means "Debian-based". While Debian is a fine OS for a minimalist, where's the fucking system tray, GNOME desktop, Debian moves too slow to use as the basis for a fully featured and under active development desktop like KDE. KDE would have to cut their releases in half or more to deal with LTS release schedules. GNOME, on the other hand, benefits from that LTS delay due to plugin issues.

GNOME's funding and donations aren't their problem. GNOME's problem is RHEL. They'd rather do just enough to offer a platform where they can sell GUIs as a service; use Wayland compositors as a building block for things like custom in-car infotainment, POS interfaces, and whatnot. A building block for others also describes how distributions like Ubuntu use GNOME and Plugins. Basically, Red Hat has the same problem with Linux that Microsoft has with Windows -- you can only make your OS so functional when you sell software as a service. That's why Windows 11 does less than 10. 10 does less than 7. 7 does more than XP. XP does more than 2000.

Neon is to KDE what Mint is to Cinnamon, so why is it sad that Mint that develops Cinnamon, a KDE competitor, doesn't support KDE? Fuck man, even KDE themselves have a hard time adding KDE to Ubuntu with their very own Neon. If KDE themselves aren't having a good time with Ubuntu, why would a KDE competitor ensure that KDE has a good time on Ubuntu? That's like Coke making sure Pepsi sells well in Wal-Mart.

[Daktyl198]

I'm still waiting on Plasma to render itself in HDR. It's annoying having to tweak my SDR settings just to get native windows to look half decent. It's bad enough that Chrome and Firefox don't render properly in HDR (Firefox can't even render HDR videos) despite Windows supporting HDR for like 10 years at this point.

[JMB9]

And this is why I hate the Linux fragmentation so much with so many distros and DEs!

Well, I understand the frustration about inventing the weel again - and gain - and again ...

Wayland was trash by design - we have an ill amount of Wayland compositors ... but this was how
Wayland was designed right from the start: no standard - only a small amount of shared code ...
And still Wayland is implementing things right now which should be there from the start ... so from
my perspective I would not like to be forced to Wayland in the near future.

And this is the point: concerning distros I would clearly argue in favour of many distros - and
especially Mint is tried and tested (I never used it - but for beginners one of the best starts).
Not to the candy side - or to power users - but it is a solid experience so one can concentrate
on getting work done ... that is the reason for distros and desktop environments.
One can see what makes a distro really bad - like snap or flatpak - slowing all things down and
thus wasting energy, getting hurdles for interoperability, only unreasonal security arguments
as sanboxing: which may be advantageous for toy devices like smartphones or tablets (convergency
startegy of Ubuntu - but long cancelled - but sadly snap will be forced ...).
But sandboxing is a really bad idea on the desktop.

On Windows I see a lot of extreme bugs - no matter what version - and when I see Windows updating ...
this is really a shame and an experience of the 19??-ies - just crazy.

And from my persepective the excuse to bring Windows users to Linux distos and not make
computer users capable and educated is a big problem ... and quality is lacking - especially
for GNOME. If the forced workflow fits - one can happy use GNOME - but for most it is not
the right way - and configure it to ones need is not wanted. No environment I could accept.

I am using KDE - and I was very happy with KDE5 for years (before I was happy with XFCE - but
HW configuration lacked too much for me) - and slowly I get some confidence in KDE6 ...
but I don't think that the development style and direction is (mostly) right - for all
Distos and DEs. Too many bugs and to much time to get stable ...

So choice was and is important - and so are skills like using CLI, really programming
('hacking' means using the keyboard), and really understanding what is going on
when using HW and SW ...
I welcome real standards like Vulkan or DisplayPort - but no trash like single vendor things
like CUDA or the crappy HDMI not usable for workstations.

So choice concerning distribution is extremely important - and I am happy to use a distro
working for me even if it is the last one on the DistroWatch list ... and Mint and Debian
both earn a place in top 5.
Even my current #1 choice, KDE neon (having a rolling KDE stack on Ubuntu LTS, currently
24.04 'Noble'), is on #14 ...
And all users should make a choice on their own - after their liking and working style, as
both are essential to be efficient.
Using the most hyped/ranked would not do anyone a favour ... but looking at experienced
users and getting their reasons for using a special distro is helpful - even if one just knows
what not to use ...

[Danny3]

Most users do exactly that.

You just insisted that people should recommend main stream distros and Ubuntu is one of those.

So are you hypocritically one of those users who go against your suggestion and recommend something else?

Most users actually recommend Linux Mint, which doesn't support neither KDE Plasma nor Gnome.
At least for such a shitty move, Linux Mint should've been way less recommended than Ubuntu or Kubuntu!
But at the same time Ubuntu comes with Gnome by default, instead of KDE Plasma, which a lot of people, especially those coming from Windows, will find not-intuitive and way too much restricting and limited, so I can't say that Ubuntu is a good recommendation either, even though it supportes both mainstream / popular DEs.

As a long time KDE user, there really isn't a good KDE distribution that caters to new users to recommend. I use CachyOS or Arch, but those aren't what I'd consider to be "new user distributions". Other decent KDE options are Fedora, Bazzite, Tumbleweed, and NixOS but, aside from maybe Bazzite or Tumbleweed, those aren't, "new user distributions" either. Practically everything else that's left is GNOME-based or Ubuntu-based.

The problem with Ubuntu-based is that eventually means "Debian-based". While Debian is a fine OS for a minimalist, where's the fucking system tray, GNOME desktop, Debian moves too slow to use as the basis for a fully featured and under active development desktop like KDE. KDE would have to cut their releases in half or more to deal with LTS release schedules. GNOME, on the other hand, benefits from that LTS delay due to plugin issues.

GNOME's funding and donations aren't their problem. GNOME's problem is RHEL. They'd rather do just enough to offer a platform where they can sell GUIs as a service; use Wayland compositors as a building block for things like custom in-car infotainment, POS interfaces, and whatnot. A building block for others also describes how distributions like Ubuntu use GNOME and Plugins. Basically, Red Hat has the same problem with Linux that Microsoft has with Windows -- you can only make your OS so functional when you sell software as a service. That's why Windows 11 does less than 10. 10 does less than 7. 7 does more than XP. XP does more than 2000.

Neon is to KDE what Mint is to Cinnamon, so why is it sad that Mint that develops Cinnamon, a KDE competitor, doesn't support KDE? Fuck man, even KDE themselves have a hard time adding KDE to Ubuntu with their very own Neon. If KDE themselves aren't having a good time with Ubuntu, why would a KDE competitor ensure that KDE has a good time on Ubuntu? That's like Coke making sure Pepsi sells well in Wal-Mart.

I'm a long time KDE user myself, who used in the past Ubuntu Gnome 2.32, Ubuntu MATE, Linux Mint Cinnamon, Linux Mint KDE, Kubuntu.

Until finally settling on Debian + KDE Plasma.
Debian 13 (Trexie) is coming with Plasma 6.2.4 (in a few days 6.2.5)

Even though I hope that the final release will come with Plasma 6.3!

Anyway, anyone can already download one of the weekly builds of Debian:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/

And try it!
It works very well for me and in a week or two, that ISO image will also include the lastest versions of Plasma (6.2.5), Linux (6.12.8), Mesa (24.3.3) so it will work even better and with less bugs.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/plasma-desktop

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mesa

Too bad that Debian has a really crappy website which makes people thing that the rest of their software is crap also...

Anyway, I heard that OpenSUSE, Fedora and Nobara developers are also doing a very good job both for KDE Plasma, but also for Gnome so people could recommend those too to new users instead of Ubuntu and Linux Mint.
In my opinion, having the latest DE versions of KDE Plasma and Gnome, well integrated and supported and also have recent enough versions of the Linux kernel and Mesa drivers is what makes a distro great and recommendable to others.

[oleid]

People coming from Windows, where most of the things already work[...]

Just a clarification: are you talking about the Redmond based operating system?

[Anux]

Well colors will always be inaccurate if you display them with a different white point. But in the screenshot it looks like colors got changed to the point where they look the same which shouldn't be of course, you should always be able to differentiate between colors whatever the white point is.

There is one known shortcoming though if the display is using a native white point of 6504K

That seems to be very specific, 6503 is ok?

In my opinion, HDR, night light and other things would be much more error less and much more advanced if the existing Linux users would donate and recommned to new users the mainstream and already good distros and DEs.

What has one to do with the other? Until not so long ago everyone recommended Ubuntu and that was pretty much the best option for newbies. Than they started using snap and now we need to find another best new recommendation. I recommend Mint with XFCE but it has certainly not the dominance that Ubuntu had.

There's a video of someone trying Ubuntu, it is sadly realistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7SzX0SK24

If KDE and Gnome had more users and donations, many more bugs would've been solved already

I highly doubt that, we would need more devs not donations or newbies using the systems.

People coming from Windows, where most of the things already work, are not so forgiving and patient with Linux when they can just easily go back where all these little issues are solved.

I wouldn't say HDR works well in Windows but yes it's better than in Linux. Just don't recommend Linux if someone needs HDR. Simple.
BTW for night vision there's redshift that I use since ages and it always works, not sure why we need something new?

Linux Mint developers are monkeying around and wasting money

I thought they only have unpaid devs?

still recommend these two distros like crazy!

At least Mint works well if you know to avoid snaps and it's more beginner friendly than Ubuntu ever was with all the online resources and 3th party stuff from Ubuntu working in Mint too. I don't know any other distro that fulfills this criteria.

[archkde]

That seems to be very specific, 6503 is ok?

The more the difference from 6504 K, the worse the result is. 6503 K is likely not perceptibly worse.