Wine 9.22 Enables Wayland Driver By Default

[ilgazcl]

I haven't moved to Wayland myself yet. Partially for all the reasons mentioned here so far but also because there is zero reason for me to. It offers me nothing since I don't code GUI things very often and it doesn't offer anything whatsoever to anyone who isn't a GUI coder. I mean, I'm glad there are folks out there to do the beta testing. I'm also extremely glad I don't feel obliged to be one any more.

It is not a bad thing or carry false promises. I know, since you can easily see what happens when you enable Wayland on an nvidia 9400 (w/nouveau) and core duo 2 Macbook 5.1. Things run smoother and more responsive. The problem begins once you live a problem and interact with the community. There is always someone popping up "throw it away", "it is old", "how can you use it?". On the other hand, people with 10000x the credentials they have who works at IBM/Redhat even spare their weekend to help you.

[oiaohm]

A bug? How can you enable a feature which is outside the scope of the Wayland protocol? Wine developers have clearly said dragging WinAMP by its title will not work under Wayland. And that's not the only Windows/Xorg feature that will be missing. Global shortcuts support for Windows/Wine applications? Again, will not work.

avis global short cuts done the old way under X11 can end up with too many applications processing the input path result in major input lag.to the point you get like the following stupidity.

https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/calc-stops-responding-to-keyboard-only-mouse/61175

https://github.com/Skycoder42/QHotkey/issues/89

Yes the use the xdg desktop portal for this helps X11 as well. It common for input issues with Wayland to be in fact that Wayland makes existing problem just worse. So you got from intermittent problem under X11 to always not working under Wayland. Yes the way global shortcuts are implemented under X11 breaking the input system is a X11 problem. Wayland no global short cuts we have fix that problem with a sledge hammer. So we need xdg desktop portal to move back to a even solution. Yes you have a single service with all the global shortcuts to check for so avoiding overloading the input stack attempting to process global shortcuts with the xdg desktop portal solution.

So yes I would like Wine to pick up xdg desktop portal global short cuts and make it so even under X11 when it does not have focus do not listen to input so not to break X11.

WinAMP drag is kind of annoying. You will find it works with virtual desktop under Wayland. This is because WinAMP is absolute moving it window and if you tell that the top conner of it window is 0.0 it will not move to negative or ask to move to negative so a particular trick does not work. Fun when you setup monitors under windows with a screen with negative position(yes it allowed under windows) and then watch the number applications that refuse to move when you do this. This issue is bug in the WinAMP code base as well. There are a lot of windows applications with this bug. Due to this being the case I am kind of likely to virtual desktop them because you cannot end up with negative positions in there.

[DMJC]

I'm using Wayland with MATE, it's pretty nice. Had to roll my own packages because Debian hasn't updated MATE past 1.26 yet. Proprietary apps vs Open Source is going to be a solved problem very soon. I was able to replace two proprietary apps with ChatGPT generated equivalents recently. That trend is going to accelerate over time. Adobe's only real offering is Photoshop. Someone will come out with a better image editor. We already have Inkscape which is brilliant at vector drawing, Krita for drawing on tablets, and FreeCAD and Blender which are all excellent applications. Photoshop's time is running out.

[Quackdoc]

Do you remember the purpose of WINE? It is to run Windows applications under Linux. It doesn't matter how modern/old/junk like application it is, the main reason for anyone to install/run WINE is to run it in acceptable performance.

Ideally, the whole World should give up Adobe junk (which I subscribed) and donate billions to open source solutions however, it is not the case now. Joking with strangers about a freaking graphic subsystem is childish.

ps: I purchase Intel based GPU/hardware just for flawless wayland experience and my desktop is wayland for years.

People wont give up adobe for open source stuff, they may give it up for closed source stuff, but open source stuff just can't compete, Video editors nothing but olive is even close for a professional workflow I found, pain tools nothing comes remotely close in open source world, and I forced my sister to try a bunch of tools periodically. Krita is a good alternative to something like paint tool sai, but doesn't come remotely close to clip studio pain, and adobe product sit closer to krita for image painting. for general image manipulation, gimp is a joke. associated alpha *still* isnt handled properly, color management in gimp is barely existent etc. Each alternative is a crippling disaster.

I do agree that people should donate to open source alternatives, but having good alternatives to donate to is just as important as donating itself.

[Quackdoc]

Ditto. Over the years I've had a lot of random input issues with Gamescope. When that's not a problem, Gamescope in full screen always leaves a gap on the right-hand border that shows my desktop. I've tried every option I can think of with Gamescope but I still have that damn annoying gap on the right side of the screen. I've even tried different screens, resolutions, HDMI, and DP and that gap is always there. Start an embedded session from SDDM and the gap is there. That gap is really, really annoying and finally being able to play HDR games without some whack-ass gap on the right hand side of the screen is just awesome.

Then there are games with pre-game launchers, multiple windows, or that you use 3rd party tools with; like basically anything from Ubisoft or games like the Hitman and KSP where there's that pre-game configuration tool. Anything that takes focus from the main game window doesn't usually play nicely with Gamescope.

What kinds of issues do you have with Gamescope?

Performance issues, game launchers not receiving input, until somewhat recently resizing the window would cause gamescope to nope out of existence and spam issues to stderr. and a few other misc issues but those three are the big ones.

[ahrs]

FWIW, IBus IMEs have been working in GNOME Wayland for years.

That's because GNOME builds it into their shell. KDE doesn't do that so it still uses XWayland right now. The Input Method protocol allows arbitrary IMEs (i.e not just IBus built into the shell) and gives them proper Wayland surfaces for their popups, for candidate selection, etc. In fact with input method protocol support GNOME wouldn't even have to build it into their shell anymore and they could drop that code.

[MrCooper]

They can still beat GNOME to the punch though.

FWIW, IBus IMEs have been working in GNOME Wayland for years.

[intelfx]

Really? Tell me, how would my life be easier and better by switching?

Your life? I don't know and I don't care. It certainly does make my life easier, though. Try not to equate yourself with "anyone" next time.

[ssokolow]

ps: I purchase Intel based GPU/hardware just for flawless wayland experience and my desktop is wayland for years.

Good that you have that option. Some of us need to run GPU compute stuff that's written in CUDA.

[TheMightyBuzzard]

That's plainly not true.

Really? Tell me, how would my life be easier and better by switching?

Edit: Keep in mind that I'm a mature adult and no longer get a special feeling of superiority just because I'm using something new before it's mainsteam, so that's not a valid list item.