Wine 9.22 Enables Wayland Driver By Default

[intelfx]

[Wayland] offers me nothing since <...> it doesn't offer anything whatsoever to anyone who isn't a GUI coder.

That's plainly not true.

[skeevy420]

gamescope breaks too much, not usable.

Ditto. Over the years I've had a lot of random input issues with Gamescope. When that's not a problem, Gamescope in full screen always leaves a gap on the right-hand border that shows my desktop. I've tried every option I can think of with Gamescope but I still have that damn annoying gap on the right side of the screen. I've even tried different screens, resolutions, HDMI, and DP and that gap is always there. Start an embedded session from SDDM and the gap is there. That gap is really, really annoying and finally being able to play HDR games without some whack-ass gap on the right hand side of the screen is just awesome.

Then there are games with pre-game launchers, multiple windows, or that you use 3rd party tools with; like basically anything from Ubisoft or games like the Hitman and KSP where there's that pre-game configuration tool. Anything that takes focus from the main game window doesn't usually play nicely with Gamescope.

What kinds of issues do you have with Gamescope?

[TheMightyBuzzard]

That's plainly not true.

Really? Tell me, how would my life be easier and better by switching?

Edit: Keep in mind that I'm a mature adult and no longer get a special feeling of superiority just because I'm using something new before it's mainsteam, so that's not a valid list item.

[ssokolow]

ps: I purchase Intel based GPU/hardware just for flawless wayland experience and my desktop is wayland for years.

Good that you have that option. Some of us need to run GPU compute stuff that's written in CUDA.

[intelfx]

Really? Tell me, how would my life be easier and better by switching?

Your life? I don't know and I don't care. It certainly does make my life easier, though. Try not to equate yourself with "anyone" next time.

[MrCooper]

They can still beat GNOME to the punch though.

FWIW, IBus IMEs have been working in GNOME Wayland for years.

[ahrs]

FWIW, IBus IMEs have been working in GNOME Wayland for years.

That's because GNOME builds it into their shell. KDE doesn't do that so it still uses XWayland right now. The Input Method protocol allows arbitrary IMEs (i.e not just IBus built into the shell) and gives them proper Wayland surfaces for their popups, for candidate selection, etc. In fact with input method protocol support GNOME wouldn't even have to build it into their shell anymore and they could drop that code.

[Quackdoc]

Ditto. Over the years I've had a lot of random input issues with Gamescope. When that's not a problem, Gamescope in full screen always leaves a gap on the right-hand border that shows my desktop. I've tried every option I can think of with Gamescope but I still have that damn annoying gap on the right side of the screen. I've even tried different screens, resolutions, HDMI, and DP and that gap is always there. Start an embedded session from SDDM and the gap is there. That gap is really, really annoying and finally being able to play HDR games without some whack-ass gap on the right hand side of the screen is just awesome.

Then there are games with pre-game launchers, multiple windows, or that you use 3rd party tools with; like basically anything from Ubisoft or games like the Hitman and KSP where there's that pre-game configuration tool. Anything that takes focus from the main game window doesn't usually play nicely with Gamescope.

What kinds of issues do you have with Gamescope?

Performance issues, game launchers not receiving input, until somewhat recently resizing the window would cause gamescope to nope out of existence and spam issues to stderr. and a few other misc issues but those three are the big ones.

[Quackdoc]

Do you remember the purpose of WINE? It is to run Windows applications under Linux. It doesn't matter how modern/old/junk like application it is, the main reason for anyone to install/run WINE is to run it in acceptable performance.

Ideally, the whole World should give up Adobe junk (which I subscribed) and donate billions to open source solutions however, it is not the case now. Joking with strangers about a freaking graphic subsystem is childish.

ps: I purchase Intel based GPU/hardware just for flawless wayland experience and my desktop is wayland for years.

People wont give up adobe for open source stuff, they may give it up for closed source stuff, but open source stuff just can't compete, Video editors nothing but olive is even close for a professional workflow I found, pain tools nothing comes remotely close in open source world, and I forced my sister to try a bunch of tools periodically. Krita is a good alternative to something like paint tool sai, but doesn't come remotely close to clip studio pain, and adobe product sit closer to krita for image painting. for general image manipulation, gimp is a joke. associated alpha *still* isnt handled properly, color management in gimp is barely existent etc. Each alternative is a crippling disaster.

I do agree that people should donate to open source alternatives, but having good alternatives to donate to is just as important as donating itself.

[DMJC]

I'm using Wayland with MATE, it's pretty nice. Had to roll my own packages because Debian hasn't updated MATE past 1.26 yet. Proprietary apps vs Open Source is going to be a solved problem very soon. I was able to replace two proprietary apps with ChatGPT generated equivalents recently. That trend is going to accelerate over time. Adobe's only real offering is Photoshop. Someone will come out with a better image editor. We already have Inkscape which is brilliant at vector drawing, Krita for drawing on tablets, and FreeCAD and Blender which are all excellent applications. Photoshop's time is running out.