KDE Fixing Many Bugs, Prepping New Plasma 6.3 Features

[cutterjohn]

My desktop seems like a worst case setup for Plasma. Multi GPU + multi screen + a KVM. There's a lot of things I strongly dislike about the out-of-the-box GNOME experience, but I have to admit that GNOME / Mutter have been more reliable in setups like mine.

I can only speak anecdotally, but I'm running Tumbleweed. a770, 7900X, and a 1440p monitor(primary landscape), and a secondary 1080p monitor(secondary, portrait) and it has worked out fine for me once I went into setting and made sure to set which monitor to what, mostly the 1080p portrait...

I've been running this on tumbleweed/plasma/wayland(only) for a little over a year now, with mostly no other problems than you may expect w/a770, newish(well not any longer) AMD CPUs, wayland, and well a rolling release... stuff mostly works for me, and I do game, but Ive only had a few cases where things have not worked, and I was dabbling in generative 'AI' image creation, but AFAIK I think that something was borked for a770 afte the 6.8 kernel, or perhaps software changed and my preferred tool did not change with it(vladmandic automatic 1111 IIRC)

This was only 'good' experience w/wayland to date as previouslly I only tried it on machines that had nVidia cards, and it was pretty terrible... That said I did not even bother to try w/ATI cards as the drivers(when I had them) were completely proprietary and not very quality, let's say... e.g. they struggled w/opengl, had frequent hw locks(multiple cards, different gen), and the compute was junk, etc. (windows was SLIGHTLY better, but compute lacking was purely hw/driver by design problem... and believe you me after experiencing ATI on consumer cards I would NEVER EVER recommend them commercially... and this was over almost a decade of trying various cards after I was repeatedly told oh ATI is better now... well nope they weren't by much, or enough to really matter unless all you were doing was gaming and your particular games worked fine... trust me I had games that also could hardlock ATI GPUs in certain corner cases that never were addressed...)

I had hoped that AMD would be better in support for ATI now that fungible again, but apparently not... they have no interest in that... and Intel well it's early dGPU(still lets be real here) but Im disappointed as their iGPU drivers weren't that horrible mostly although they weren't expected to do NEARLY as much as the dGPU drivers given the cards capabilities on paper...

sorry for the wall of text... yes I hate that myself... Michael need an AI to summarize this for me!

[wolfyrion]

Plasma 6.x has million of bugs with Wayland and I dont even know any more if developers are monitoring them.
Bug List is a total mess !

for example:

https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=rdp&list_id=2881197

You can see a lot of bugs unassigned.

some annoying bugs that should have been fix :

RDP spam popping messages
RDP cant even copy/paste something from clipboard - RDP freezes
Bluetooth controller, when you try to pair them it give you error but after that you realize that is a wrong message and when you turn it on it works.
In the previous versions you could add two panels on the same line , now you cant.
You had a dock like Latte that was working , now is hard to find a descent one to make it work , yea I know do it with panels etc... nope is not the same!

It seems that Plasma Developers are lost in general with Wayland.

I have been using Plasma for over 15 years but due to all bugs and issues I have decided to switch to Gnome.

At the start I hated Gnome due to its UI but when I have discovered extensions and how to tweak Gnome I have instantly fall in love.

Very fast , Everything works , RDP , Shared Desktop , KDE Connect I was totally impressed , lovely extensions etc

Anyway....

The king is dead, long live the king!

[Rovano]

You can always try on Fedora KDE, which is much better all around.

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You can always try Fedora KDE, which is so much bleeding edge with bugs everywhere. Check buglist for KDE 6.2 or Fedora.

[Rovano]

Packages are usually available in .deb and .rpm, just use .rpm in fedora

In my state is supported DEB only. :-/ Of course, there is an unofficial RPM package, but every now and then something doesn't work.

[Rovano]

BTW: the discover software reboots the computer for all updates in Fedora. But you can use dnf command to avoid it, if you think it will be safe to do so.

Why? This behavior can be set by clicking with the mouse. Check settings for it. ;-)

[Rovano]

GNOME has problems with Nvidia drivers. Reduced performance.
Their new renderer is a chapter in itself, and they revert the distributions to the older method.
Overall, GNOME cannot be used without knowing the various keyboard shortcuts.
GNOME does not describe icons correctly. Although they have recently modified some things for a lower resolution.
GNOME is one big limitation on what you normally want to do with a desktop.
Various extensions are required for GNOME, which can be a security threat.
Or GNOME crashes with them. Alternatively, they are incompatible with the new version.
GNOME is more resource-intensive.

[Rovano]

Plasma 6.x has million of bugs with Wayland and I dont even know any more if developers are monitoring them.
Bug List is a total mess !

for example:

https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=rdp&list_id=2881197

You can see a lot of bugs unassigned.

some annoying bugs that should have been fix :

RDP spam popping messages
RDP cant even copy/paste something from clipboard - RDP freezes
Bluetooth controller, when you try to pair them it give you error but after that you realize that is a wrong message and when you turn it on it works.
In the previous versions you could add two panels on the same line , now you cant.
You had a dock like Latte that was working , now is hard to find a descent one to make it work , yea I know do it with panels etc... nope is not the same!

It seems that Plasma Developers are lost in general with Wayland.

I have been using Plasma for over 15 years but due to all bugs and issues I have decided to switch to Gnome.

At the start I hated Gnome due to its UI but when I have discovered extensions and how to tweak Gnome I have instantly fall in love.

Very fast , Everything works , RDP , Shared Desktop , KDE Connect I was totally impressed , lovely extensions etc

Anyway....

The king is dead, long live the king!

For the same reasons, I ran away from GNOME to KDE.
KDE connect is bugfixed.

GNOME has problems with Nvidia drivers. Reduced performance.
Their new renderer is a chapter in itself, and they revert the distributions to the older method.
Overall, GNOME cannot be used without knowing the various keyboard shortcuts.
GNOME does not describe icons correctly. Although they have recently modified some things for a lower resolution.
GNOME is one big limitation on what you normally want to do with a desktop.
Various extensions are required for GNOME, which can be a security threat.
Or GNOME crashes with them. Alternatively, they are incompatible with the new version.
GNOME is more resource-intensive.

[mrg666]

Why? This behavior can be set by clicking with the mouse. Check settings for it. ;-)

You are right. There is a setting for it. But those are always or never options. I wish there was a conditional behavior based on the packages that require reboot or logout. I usually use the command line anyway. if there is a critical update such as glibc, etc. I let Discover software do its thing.

[Luke_Wolf]

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You can always try Fedora KDE, which is so much bleeding edge with bugs everywhere. Check buglist for KDE 6.2 or Fedora.

Actually Arch and Fedora tend to be much more stable than everything else BECAUSE they're bleeding edge and as long as they pass QA they aren't holding them back because as it turns out unless there's a major architecture change or rewrite then basically all software improves over time so staying stuck on ancient software means you tend to have more bugs not less.

But I'm sure you knew that.

[Rovano]

Actually Arch and Fedora tend to be much more stable than everything else BECAUSE they're bleeding edge and as long as they pass QA they aren't holding them back because as it turns out unless there's a major architecture change or rewrite then basically all software improves over time so staying stuck on ancient software means you tend to have more bugs not less.

But I'm sure you knew that.

Of course, I know that they are not stable and break with updates. I see it on their Reddit or in bugzilla, for example.
This is confirmed by reports from other users.
Even in my social bubble, when I ask, someone tells me that they don't use Fedora because it broke regularly. The same with Arch Linux. There are tons of text about it on Reddit.
But I'm sure you knew that.
Or why do you think that software backlogs are not used in critical infrastructure?
Or just KDE 6.2, just look at the buglist.
Or a kernel that deleted data. It was discovered after 9 months.

Of course, I have a lot of respect for the companies that develop it.
But you slipped into a different debate.