KDE Fixing Many Bugs, Prepping New Plasma 6.3 Features

[ktecho]

Packages are usually available in .deb and .rpm, just use .rpm in fedora

I figured that if I have to make the effort to change, I could use one of the newest/fastest distros like CachyOS to get the best from my CPU... but yes, Fedora could be a good midle ground.

You can do it. I ran Debian and Ubuntu from around 1999/2000 to 2010, switched to Arch where I ran it until 2016/2017, switched to Manjaro, went back to Arch during COVID, and I've been using CachyOS for the past couple of years. The learning curve isn't that bad and the Arch Wiki really helps.

I left Ubuntu/Debian over older packages and generally bad experiences with distribution updates every six months. More often than not I'd get breakage during the six month updates and would spend a a day or two fixing it. I figured if I'm gonna be dealing with breakage I'd rather deal with one or two packages as the issues occur versus dealing with everything, everywhere, all at once. For me, the former is easier to fix than the latter.

Like the other people here, I'd assume Pulse/Pipe before I would Plasma itself. All the bleeding edge distributions had a few weird issues like that when they made the switch.

Yeah, I've had problems each upgrade, so it's like at least one problem each 6 months... I'll think about it during the weekend. Thanks.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

Yes, I've been thinking about it recently, but I've been using Ubuntu for more than a decade and I didn't want to learn a new system. And besides that, you always have Ubuntu packages available for software that you want to install, but you don't always have packages for Arch, or other more modern distros.

Use whatever works best for your needs. Fedora is very good. If you want to stay on something Ubuntu based with more up to date KDE, you could take a look at TUXEDO OS.

https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Differences-between-TUXEDO-OS-Kubuntu-and-KDE-Neon.tuxedo

The unfortunate reality is that if you really like KDE and want the latest goodies, anything Debian based is going to be a challenge. The packaging lags behind in upstream Debian, sometimes significantly. And most of the KDE devs are using a distro with a much newer package base like Fedora or Tumbleweed or Arch.

[mrg666]

Yes, I've been thinking about it recently, but I've been using Ubuntu for more than a decade and I didn't want to learn a new system. And besides that, you always have Ubuntu packages available for software that you want to install, but you don't always have packages for Arch, or other more modern distros.

When I switched, the most important difference was rpm packages. The command line options of dnf (for Fedora) and apt (for Ubuntu) were similar with slight variations. dpkg vs rpm differences are a bit deeper. Building binary kernel packages with rpm and deb formats were also similar. Configuring samba and winbind were almost the same. Main difference was Fedora using SELinux vs Ubuntu AppArmor. But even that did not cause any trouble other than reconfiguring my kernel builds. So, it was a very easy transition. I still sometimes write "sudo apt update" instead of "sudo dnf update" though

BTW: the discover software reboots the computer for all updates in Fedora. But you can use dnf command to avoid it, if you think it will be safe to do so.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

My desktop seems like a worst case setup for Plasma. Multi GPU + multi screen + a KVM. There's a lot of things I strongly dislike about the out-of-the-box GNOME experience, but I have to admit that GNOME / Mutter have been more reliable in setups like mine.

[skeevy420]

I figured that if I have to make the effort to change, I could use one of the newest/fastest distros like CachyOS to get the best from my CPU... but yes, Fedora could be a good midle ground.

That's why I use it. That and its devs are friendly people. At least one of them posts here regularly.

Yeah, I've had problems each upgrade, so it's like at least one problem each 6 months... I'll think about it during the weekend. Thanks.

Honestly, you can have more or less problems when updating on Arch. It's my experiences that the problems are easier to fix on Arch when they occur. Both its community and Wiki are damn good resources.

That said, take my anecdotal experiences with a grain of salt. A LOT has changed since before and after 2010. 2010 was the dawn of systemd and just happens to coincide with when I left the Debuntu ecosystem, started hopping around, and finally making Arch my daily driver.

[ahrs]

I switched to Fedora for that reason only and I have 6.2.2 currently. Ubuntu is what it is. But it is not a shame. You have options, use them.

It is a shame, but only in the sense that I want to have a good KDE based distribution I can recommend to new users and Kubuntu isn't that (neither is Fedora, for various reasons, mostly involving codecs and drivers. I can't send someone to Fedora and make them deal with the RPM Fusion mess just to get non-gimped Mesa drivers and codecs). I hope KDE succeeds in their plans in making KDE Neon into less of a test bed for KDE and more of a stable and reliable distribution that people can depend on but still with the latest KDE.

I'm going to keep using Gentoo, but it'd be really nice to have somewhere to send new users that isn't Arch.

[Vistaus]

It's a shame we cannot have more up-to-date Plasma in Ubuntu... I'm having problems with audio devices in 6.1, but I don't know if they've been fixed already in more modern Plasmas.

I too have issues with audio devices, but in 6.2 rather than 6.1. And also on LXQt. Seems to be an Arch issue, as I didn't have issues on Deepin and openSUSE on this same PC with the same audio hardware.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

It is a shame, but only in the sense that I want to have a good KDE based distribution I can recommend to new users and Kubuntu isn't that (neither is Fedora, for various reasons, mostly involving codecs and drivers. I can't send someone to Fedora and make them deal with the RPM Fusion mess just to get non-gimped Mesa drivers and codecs). I hope KDE succeeds in their plans in making KDE Neon into less of a test bed for KDE and more of a stable and reliable distribution that people can depend on but still with the latest KDE.

I'm going to keep using Gentoo, but it'd be really nice to have somewhere to send new users that isn't Arch.

NEON had the worst problems of any distro with the transition to KDE Plasma 6.0, which is obviously ironic. Are they really invested in it as a stable regular end user platform anymore? I think there's a decent chance that the just released rebase to 24.04 will be the last big Ubuntu LTS rebase, and they'll pivot to either Arch or Fedora as their base platform.

[ahrs]

NEON had the worst problems of any distro with the transition to KDE Plasma 6.0, which is obviously ironic. Are they really invested in it as a stable regular end user platform anymore? I think there's a decent chance that the just released rebase to 24.04 will be the last big Ubuntu LTS rebase, and they'll pivot to either Arch or Fedora as their base platform.

There was talk of trying to make it into a proper distro with A/B roots, etc, which would ease the pain of a broken update. I have no idea how invested in this they really are though.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

NEON had the worst problems of any distro with the transition to KDE Plasma 6.0, which is obviously ironic. Are they really invested in it as a stable regular end user platform anymore? I think there's a decent chance that the just released rebase to 24.04 will be the last big Ubuntu LTS rebase, and they'll pivot to either Arch or Fedora as their base platform.

Still prototype kind of stuff, but to back up my claim...

From Akademy 2024: https://youtu.be/gTxRaBEUe-I?t=25935

https://invent.kde.org/sitter/kde-linux

https://community.kde.org/%F0%9F%8D%8C

Like the Steam Deck, you get an Arch based immutable image with A/B root.