KDE Developers Fixing Initial Bugs From Plasma 6.2

[Quackdoc]

On the plus side, you should now be able to control the brightness of individual monitors.

you have been able to for a while last I checked but maybe not, it's been a while, I swapped to cosmic full time. speaking of, the unofficial DDC applet that cosmic uses is way faster then what powerdevil has. I didn't even know DDC control for brightness *could* be smooth. Currently I think it only works on cosmic-panel, I really have no clue how this works but I think it runs a nested compositor or something, but here is the git for it if anyone is interested https://github.com/maciekk64/cosmic-...tor-brightness

EDIT: It works in niri if you run niri nested. Same with kwin

[pkese]

Easy to change keyboard shortcuts. Most people who are used to the Windows workflow will want just Meta to open the Application Launcher.

Why not offer people sane defaults? Who thought that binding a key user interface to [Win]+[w] is a good idea?

There's a time window of 3-5 minutes of people's attention before they make their subjective opinion if they like something or not.
Having to search the manuals to find [Win]+[w] is off-putting. Pressing [Win], [Alt][Tab] or [Win][Tab] should do that job.

You need to be a specific kind of nerd to enjoy having to change keyboard shortcuts to get the very basic usability stuff available. And I'm not one of them. Just like I don't like having to compile my own kernels.

So sorry, I'll skip KDE and stay with Gnome. They invested much more time in thinking about user experience and it shows.

[Damnshock]

If you want to use/test latest software, you need to be using a rolling-release distribution such as Arch, OpenSuSE Tumbleweed, Gentoo, or Fedora. Ubuntu is a point release distribution. Plasma 6.2 could be added to Ubuntu 24.10 sometime in the future but you can't bet on it. Fedora is on 6.2 right now together with the latest Frameworks and Gear packages.

BTW, I don't have any significant usability issues with Plasma. There are some features I wish worked better (such as RDP) but those are not important issues for me. KDE development pace is fast and consistent, software quality is very good and getting even better every release.

Fedora is not a rolling release (unless you use rawhide which I don't really recommend as it can get to a broken status _often_)

[mrg666]

Fedora is not a rolling release (unless you use rawhide which I don't really recommend as it can get to a broken status _often_)

yes, it is not. But it is close enough, best of both sides for me.

[JackLilhammers]

You need to be a specific kind of nerd to enjoy having to change keyboard shortcuts to get the very basic usability stuff available. And I'm not one of them. Just like I don't like having to compile my own kernels.

So sorry, I'll skip KDE and stay with Gnome. They invested much more time in thinking about user experience and it shows.

Clearly they had.
That's why you need to install a software to have a minimize button and a browser extension and another software to have desktop icons.
Of course I know that these are advanced features and that you need to be a specific kind of nerd to enjoy all of this.
It really shows how much they thought about user experience...

[fallingcats]

yes, it is not. But it is close enough, best of both sides for me.

Could you elaborate a bit in that? From what I'm hearing it seems to be the worst of both worlds. Arch doesn't usually break at all (as long is you don't power off mid-upgrade) and follow official notices. The purported benefit of stable distros is supposed to be more stability and less updates during the cycle.

With all that being said, how it it at all reasonable let alone "the best of both worlds" to run a development version of Fedora? The only reasonable but not especially good explanation would be you _need_ Fedora and can't wait for the regular cycle.

[leafhead]

If you want to use/test latest software, you need to be using a rolling-release distribution such as Arch, OpenSuSE Tumbleweed, Gentoo, or Fedora. Ubuntu is a point release distribution. Plasma 6.2 could be added to Ubuntu 24.10 sometime in the future but you can't bet on it. Fedora is on 6.2 right now together with the latest Frameworks and Gear packages.

BTW, I don't have any significant usability issues with Plasma. There are some features I wish worked better (such as RDP) but those are not important issues for me. KDE development pace is fast and consistent, software quality is very good and getting even better every release.

It's doesn't appear to be available on Gentoo yet. I'm still on KDE Plasma 6.1.5

[intelfx]

Clearly they had.
That's why you need to install a software to have a minimize button

No, you don’t.

and a browser extension and another software to have desktop icons.
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It really shows how much they thought about user experience...

Yes, they did and it does. Desktop icons are not part of the intended user experience.

You may or may not agree with it, but I’m having a hard time finding someone who would even argue that reasonable keyboard shortcuts are not part of the intended user experience of KDE.

[mrg666]

Could you elaborate a bit in that? From what I'm hearing it seems to be the worst of both worlds. Arch doesn't usually break at all (as long is you don't power off mid-upgrade) and follow official notices. The purported benefit of stable distros is supposed to be more stability and less updates during the cycle.

With all that being said, how it it at all reasonable let alone "the best of both worlds" to run a development version of Fedora? The only reasonable but not especially good explanation would be you _need_ Fedora and can't wait for the regular cycle.

I am not sure why should I argue or validate my preferences with you? Best of both worlds for me.

[ssokolow]

Oh, another problem that I found is:
- if I configure the panel to show a separate icon for each window
- and I open 5 Firefox windows (and I see 5 Firefox buttons in the panel)
- and then in one Firefox window I play a YouTube video,
- then all Firefox icons get a speaker icon although only one of them is playing the audio
- so I don't know to which window I need to switch in order to stop the video.
This functionality works fine in Gnome (only the icon of the window actually playing audio gets highlighted),
but didn't work in KDE5 and it still doesn't work with KDE6.

Huh. I just assumed it was some kind of technical limitation in how audio output works... but if GNOME can do it, then I agree KDE should too.