GNOME Foundation Announces Cost Cutting Measures Due To Budget Woes

[Quackdoc]

He's not the only source that documented the Gnome Foundation's woes.

https://fossforce.com/2024/10/gnome-foundations-financial-woes-worsen/

https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/The-Gnome-Foundation-Struggling-to-Stay-Afloat

https://techrights.org/n/2024/10/08/GNOME_Foundation_Says_It_s_Nearly_Broke_Again_It_s _Getting_Rid_.shtml

I guess 'Luke' owns all those sites, too, right? The Gnome Foundation seems to be an inept, financially incompetent secretive organization that is not transparent at all and are contradictions in all that they do - and at its core, a political organization more than anything else. The knobs that support wokeness on here - stayed silent on the incompetence part - their main objection was woke 'critiques' so, they are just as stupid and brainwashed. Maybe the Gnome Foundation should hire those ppl on here so that it can go crashing down for good.

no? I guess you completely missed the point, this is not about gnome at all, this is about lunduke, let me reword it, people don't like lunduke because he has a political bias, and that bias is often, not always, reflected in how he presents information.

when the fuck did I say anything else that would even remotely close to imply that anyone that covers gnome struggling was editorializing?????

[curfew]

Not really.

Most libraries created by KDE are "addons" to Qt, some are even literally called "<qt library name> addon".

Usually functionality that is not present in Qt or extending functionality of Qt.

They are quite often also used by software not developed by KDE

Totally really. Every app using those K* libs is a KDE app by choice, whereas apps using plain Qt are more generic "Qt apps" and not necessarily tied with the KDE desktop. Back with KDE 4 that was kind of a hard distinction because even basic KDE libs would pull half of the desktop environment with them, but I think they've been decoupling the base libraries later on.

This is exactly the situation with Libadwaita. If you opt to using it, then you are creating a Gnome desktop app.

[curfew]

A significant amount of applications write their GTK4 UI together with libadwaita, probably because it is the latest and most feature-rich choice to the eyes of application developers. Also those developed by GNOME in-house.

Apps using Libadwaita are Gnome apps. They aren't meant to integrate well into any other platform, even those based on GTK. Some people portray this as hostile behavior from Gnome's side, but my point was that KDE has been doing the same exact thing forever. Some people are just angry because they had a hobby desktop environment based on Gnome, but they didn't like the direction Gnome has chosen as of recent, so now they're whining.

[anda_skoa]

Totally really.

No, sorry, that is just not how these libraries work.

For example if we look at KArchive it is just a library that is using file access API from Qt Core to provide access to archive files like ZIP.
From the point of the application developer it is just another Qt library, just not one produced by the Qt Company.

KDE is just one of many sources for Qt libraries.

Every app using those K* libs is a KDE app by choice, whereas apps using plain Qt are more generic "Qt apps" and not necessarily tied with the KDE desktop.

You are mixing different things up.

A KDE application is one that is developed by the KDE community.
Most are written using Qt and some libraries developed by the same community.

An application using Qt and KDE libraries by someone else is just a Qt application.
E.g. when using KArchive for accessing ZIP files.

And orthogonal to either of those you have KDE's desktop product Plasma.

Even most of the applications developed by KDE do usually not have any dependency on Plasma, though some of them might be able to offer Plasma specific features if they detect running in such an environment.

[billyswong]

Apps using Libadwaita are Gnome apps. They aren't meant to integrate well into any other platform, even those based on GTK. Some people portray this as hostile behavior from Gnome's side, but my point was that KDE has been doing the same exact thing forever. Some people are just angry because they had a hobby desktop environment based on Gnome, but they didn't like the direction Gnome has chosen as of recent, so now they're whining.

Applications from KDE aren't hostile to people who don't like the default KDE aesthetics. There may be excessive dependencies for some of them, but that doesn't punch one in the face.

I also mentioned examples such as Flatseal. Flatseal isn't an application developed by Gnome. But Gnome succeeded in convincing a bunch of application developers into migrating their GTK3 software into GTK4 + libadwaita. Those developers want their applications look native in Gnome DE. Gnome create a trap that one cannot make an application looks native both inside and outside Gnome unless one spend a lot of extra effort.

[Panix]

no? I guess you completely missed the point, this is not about gnome at all, this is about lunduke, let me reword it, people don't like lunduke because he has a political bias, and that bias is often, not always, reflected in how he presents information.

when the fuck did I say anything else that would even remotely close to imply that anyone that covers gnome struggling was editorializing?????

No, I did not miss the point. I got you, meaning I understood loud and clear. I only recently discovered that guy - to be honest - I watched a bunch of his videos.... I don't always agree with him 100% and I concede, yep, he has a bias - he's conservative, politically - but, like the previous guy said - he does cite his sources and explains well....he adds his two cents.... so what? My point is, a lot of bloggers/content creators who discuss tech + politics do this. I posted the other sources - since they are all saying what he presented (whether you like it or NOT) - and even the one had a pretty biased slant. His presentation is not unique, dude.

The other thing you totally missed or another point you gloss over is how political and biased these distro developers are - many of them, at least - especially, when they are controlled, financed or funded by a big corporation - Red Hat/Fedra (IBM, SUSE/OpenSUSE - 2 big ones - these ppl can't help but pushing politics into their work - and there's a lot of conflicts that stems from it. So, if Luke posts something about them and brings up points - so what? He's going to have a reaction to them. His politics is not very widespread in this field or domain - which is offering something different since we are thrown liberal/leftist politics over and over. I don't have a problem with his political bent since the overall presentation is pretty informative and sources are cited. He's a youtuber - he is going to present his two cents....it's mostly woke lefties that dislike him or bring up his bias despite having their own bias and preconceived perspective - which is pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

I think it will be difficult to find neutral YT-ers if discussing those topics - they are also interested in clicks and many like to create videos - not just for money - but, also because they like to yak and offer their two cents.

[Quackdoc]

No, I did not miss the point. I got you, meaning I understood loud and clear. I only recently discovered that guy - to be honest - I watched a bunch of his videos.... I don't always agree with him 100% and I concede, yep, he has a bias - he's conservative, politically - but, like the previous guy said - he does cite his sources and explains well....he adds his two cents.... so what? My point is, a lot of bloggers/content creators who discuss tech + politics do this. I posted the other sources - since they are all saying what he presented (whether you like it or NOT) - and even the one had a pretty biased slant. His presentation is not unique, dude.

The other thing you totally missed or another point you gloss over is how political and biased these distro developers are - many of them, at least - especially, when they are controlled, financed or funded by a big corporation - Red Hat/Fedra (IBM, SUSE/OpenSUSE - 2 big ones - these ppl can't help but pushing politics into their work - and there's a lot of conflicts that stems from it. So, if Luke posts something about them and brings up points - so what? He's going to have a reaction to them. His politics is not very widespread in this field or domain - which is offering something different since we are thrown liberal/leftist politics over and over. I don't have a problem with his political bent since the overall presentation is pretty informative and sources are cited. He's a youtuber - he is going to present his two cents....it's mostly woke lefties that dislike him or bring up his bias despite having their own bias and preconceived perspective - which is pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

I think it will be difficult to find neutral YT-ers if discussing those topics - they are also interested in clicks and many like to create videos - not just for money - but, also because they like to yak and offer their two cents.

I don;t disagree that neutral yters are hard to find, I also agree that SUSE, RHEL etc are getting far to political. But there are people that hate them too.

[curfew]

No, sorry, that is just not how these libraries work.

For example if we look at KArchive it is just a library that is using file access API from Qt Core to provide access to archive files like ZIP.
From the point of the application developer it is just another Qt library, just not one produced by the Qt Company.

KDE is just one of many sources for Qt libraries.

KDE is its own software platform at this point. I'm pretty sure even the KDE people have officially stated it ten years ago already. Qt is just the drawing board but KDE is a whole design studio.

I have been programming with Qt for 15 years, and also made my own decision to avoid integrating with KDE and instead shipping a plain Qt app. I have done my studies.

You are mixing different things up.

A KDE application is one that is developed by the KDE community.
Most are written using Qt and some libraries developed by the same community.

An application using Qt and KDE libraries by someone else is just a Qt application.

You are mixing things up. You are talking about politics, that is not relevant in terms of software.

A KDE app is an app using KDE libs and integrating with the KDE desktop environment. Qt app doesn't integrate all that well, it's just a happy coincidence that KDE people haven't changed so many things that a plain Qt app can share some of the benefits of the KDE desktop environment even without using all of their tools.

Okay, you're confused because I said "KDE" and not "Plasma". It's the same thing.

[curfew]

Applications from KDE aren't hostile to people who don't like the default KDE aesthetics. There may be excessive dependencies for some of them, but that doesn't punch one in the face.

I also mentioned examples such as Flatseal. Flatseal isn't an application developed by Gnome. But Gnome succeeded in convincing a bunch of application developers into migrating their GTK3 software into GTK4 + libadwaita. Those developers want their applications look native in Gnome DE. Gnome create a trap that one cannot make an application looks native both inside and outside Gnome unless one spend a lot of extra effort.

I'm a software developer and never once did I feel that a piece of code was threatening my life and forcing me to use it or else. That's bullshit. Developers have intentionally chosen to rebase to Libadwaita and become Gnome apps explicitly. if they chose Libadwaita thinking that it was something else, then it's their own fault for doing stupid shit before reading up about it first.

And if I make an informed decision to become a Gnome app, and then some dumbass down the line complains that my app is now "Gnome app" and his stupid hobby DE cannot use it anymore, then I wish him the best moving forward. It isn't his decision what kind of an app I am shipping.

[billyswong]

I'm a software developer and never once did I feel that a piece of code was threatening my life and forcing me to use it or else. That's bullshit. Developers have intentionally chosen to rebase to Libadwaita and become Gnome apps explicitly. if they chose Libadwaita thinking that it was something else, then it's their own fault for doing stupid shit before reading up about it first.

And if I make an informed decision to become a Gnome app, and then some dumbass down the line complains that my app is now "Gnome app" and his stupid hobby DE cannot use it anymore, then I wish him the best moving forward. It isn't his decision what kind of an app I am shipping.

"Gnome app" has become out of place in not just Xfce etc, but KDE Plasma as well. You may call any other DE "hobby" but definitely not for KDE Plasma. The stuck Gnome Adwaita theme is anti-compact UI.

There was a time even Linus Torvalds couldn't stand Gnome3 and switched to Xfce. But it is a long time ago so his choice may have changed again.