NetworkManager 1.50 Released - Now Ensures Offensive Terms Don't Appear In Settings

[billyswong]

what will you do about the chess? swap the colors? or make both players have the same colors?

Chess colours don't implicate anything. Their only difference aside from visual effect is a necessary convention/game-rule in who to play first. Chess takes white being first while Go takes black being first.

Thus why for a word to be taken as inappropriate, the context must be taken into account.

[fitzie]

Chess colours don't implicate anything. Their only difference aside from visual effect is a necessary convention/game-rule in who to play first. Chess takes white being first while Go takes black being first.

Thus why for a word to be taken as inappropriate, the context must be taken into account.

the thing is that you are doing the work of trying to make it make all sense. but the people coming up with things to ban don't, they just focus on coming up with something to complain about. at some point down the line cheese pieces will have to go, and you'll pop up and explain how it's perfectly reasonable. the basic premise of this is that somehow someone will see the term blacklist and go into shock or something? it's so absurd and infantilizing i'm amazed how this stuff fools people as being logical.

[blackiwid]

Are you saying we should not take vulnerable people's needs into account in our daily lives?

This is not binary it's funny that you did not answer my question because if you think we should you should agree to ban "dad".

There are several variables that indicate if we should cater to a problem or if we can expect the people either protecting themself, maybe partially not taking place or use some technology to shield them a person that helps them to shield them etc.

One indicator is the size of the group with the problem, even I am no big fan of the N-word bann, if we would assume that most black people really get strong negative feelings by saying the word, which I don't believe but American society have become to believe, it's millions of people falling under that category, and they want mostly ONE single word basically banned.

Even I still disagree I see a much better case for that, but if 100 people in the US or the world claim that master triggers them because they survived themself today's slavery or let it be 1000 or something alike, now you can't dictate billion of people how they speak in the world.

Another example would be physical sicknesses, I have 2 in mind, even we have much much more people suffering from being unable to walk, I am not 100% sure about the number but people sitting in a wheel chair seem to make at least in my country be like 2% so worldwide that would be 160mio people if my math is not to off, many most can't be healed from that and this problem is not to solve you can't get rid of the causes for it, and even for them we don't have everywhere perfect solutions to access every building, the US because of the newer buildings partially is better than my country, Germany but even in the US this is not perfect.

So how do we deal with it, as example a bus driver that has no special ramp or something for it's buss get's out of it and carries the chair first then the person into the bus, so we help them work the "normal" system.

Another good example would be the cold, I could bring covid but with covid that suddenly became a controversy, but with the cold we expect very sick people that can die from the cold to protect themself and isolate them so much as necessary from other people, maybe were a mask if it helps even...

Because for most people it's a harmless illness and be forever under a mask always in public creates mental illness and probably even other sicknesses, especially for small children that can't read faces and can't grow socially, but even without that...

The severity of the suffering of the individual is less important than the number of people, because it's more economical and less bad for a small amount of people to protect themself than for the whole society.

Also you want to dictate your feelings to other, what if some people would have therapeutic feeling if you take back words like N-Word especially between African-americans? But even if a white person says it as equivalent for "brother" like how man speak if they like each other they trust themself so much that they can insult each other without getting offended.

Now with the N-Word or some other words I think context matters, which was pretty clear and I don't even mean what people want to say but where they want to say it, maybe it's bad on TV to use this words, but even there I think context matters, if some TV person says "it's Bad to call XY N-Word" the context is so clear, that it could be used, so fine but if on a youtube channel somebody uses it in a non degorative form I think that is a room between a 1:1 private discussion and a tv production, so especially on less mainstream channels I think it would be acceptable.

But again at least blacks are a big group, so I think there is a much stronger argument, and N-word at least from it's existence beginning was always meant negative towards that big group, and they are still "blacks" so if somebody says the N-word, they know they are meant today, while a descendant from a slave is not a slave no matter what nicer word you want to use, they are not meant by the word slave, and they don't see themself as slaves.

And if you argue that in some 3rd world countries there is still slavery, sure but they tend to not listen to much US media.
And even then, nobody sees the word prisoner as triggering for ex prisoners, the word slave is just as offensive to people that do slavery because the existence shames them, being a slave is not really shameful you are just a victim.

But to sum it up a bit, the amount of people affected is a big variable which woke people often seem to reverse it's nearly like the less people are affected the more radical and strong we must cater to them.

One factor I might have strived but not pointed out enough is, is the problem healable, now we don't have everywhere big heights but we don't cater to people with height fears, why you can avoid this situations or close your eyes, and you can get therapy to overcome the sick form of the fear.

Spiders are we allowed to have spider man or must we bann them because of even many women have strong fear for spiders... sure there is a difference between workplace and free time activity that you want more access to work places, but this has a limit, we can't go to the absolute lowest common nominator, because that means nobody are allowed to make any joke ever because 99% of jokes have a offensive part in it.

Also it's one thing to speak out words loud into the face of people you know are from this minority or say it in the internet.

I as example also find the german law that forbits insulting, you can get fined for showing the middle finger or saying ashole to people, while I am in general sceptical about that law I think it's worse in the Internet, eye to eye insulting is much harsher and personal than saying it on the internet, now sure the internet could end in a shitstorm or something and then you have hundreds of people doing it, but if it's a 1vs1 situation I don't think it should be treated equal, now we have god bless many exceptions to this laws, and not everybody that could sue you does it, basically the courts are very lenient if it's in direct response or context to any political thing /statement, but whatever point is, I think words written in some source code should not be treated the same as shouting "slave" towards a person in real live you dislike.

And context matter nobody wants to bann "victim" yet it's a insult at least here for many people that say that to people to say to them "you are weak". Sorry for the digress but it's a very complicated topic.

[Eirikr1848]

Why is everyone so upset about removing “master/slave” as terminology?

Ever since I was a kid I kinda just wondered about that. But today with non-field people getting into senior leadership roles and then getting heavily involved…

… HR is NOT going to like anyone talking about “masters and their slaves” regardless of tech context.

I mean if the best terminology for a clean power source was white/power I’m sure that would see a revamp as well.

[Espionage724]

Why is everyone so upset about removing “master/slave” as terminology?

Because it's not solving anything.

1. The terminology used was not in any relation to real-world slave owners; it was related to code
2. The terminology is only being changed to "not offend" some imaginary group of people (find me proof before contesting)
3. Snow-ball effect with other unrelated terminology (eg: "I take offense to kernel sounding like one of those southern federation leaders (implying racist connotation); change it!")
4. No real-world person benefiting from the terminology changes (#2)
5. Changes are being driven by some widespread "diversity, equity, and inclusion" group with whatever their end-goal agenda is (that's completely unrelated to anything code)

[deusexmachina]

… HR is NOT going to like anyone talking about “masters and their slaves” regardless of tech context.

You and the DEI HR are upset about computers slaving away for your salaries? Really? Lies...

[sophisticles]

Afraid not. The problem is not the push back, it's the people who were taught to go searching for ways to be offended every day. Bonus points if they're offended on someone else's behalf and are part of the group they're pointing the finger at. Destroying a strong majority by teaching inter-class hatred is textbook Marxism and you lot really should read up on what happened to the useful idiots when their purpose was served.

Do you realize that you just described the Woke, DEI, Left and not the people you were originally talking about?

[gadnet]

well i think wireLESS is offensive and enableist so it should be removed !!!

[smitty3268]

Do you realize that you just described the Woke, DEI, Left and not the people you were originally talking about?

The dirty little secret is the far left and far right are far more similar to each other than any of them want to admit.

It's the majority in the middle that just rolls their eyes at this whole thing and moves on to stuff that actually matters.

[DanaG]

When some big company started some wide effort to get rid of blacklist/whitelist and slave/master in their product code, my thought was:

Great, so employees who belong certain demographics won't have to call a piece of hardware or software a master or slave, but the police will still end them at the drop of a hat. Such progress! How about spending that money and time on inequities that actually matter?

But a small developer spending their own time changing terminology in some config files? Eh, whatever, that's fine.