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  • #11
    Originally posted by dark♂boy View Post
    "Forgive me for being blunt, but the development progress of the KDE desktop is now far behind that of the GNOME desktop. The UI of the KDE desktop does not look like that of a modern desktop environment. On Wayland, the development progress and problem-solving are even slower.

    My laptop is an AMD 8845 with an integrated GPU, along with an Nvidia 4060 graphics card. Once I disable the AMD integrated GPU and only use the Nvidia card, all the effects on the KDE desktop under Wayland become extremely sluggish, even slower than my computer from five years ago. Why should I be forced to enable the AMD integrated GPU? I feel a strong sense of restriction.

    However, on the GNOME desktop with Wayland, this issue does not exist at all. Everything runs smoothly.

    I have reason to believe that the future of the KDE desktop, solely relying on sponsorships, is quite bleak."
    "It is clear that some people really like the KDE desktop. However, for someone who is using Linux for the first time, without the fan filter, the UI of the KDE desktop is simply ugly, it stutters under Wayland, and the desktop effects can't even fully utilize the 240Hz refresh rate of my monitor.

    Why assume my comparison is random? Is it not possible that I reached this conclusion after using the same distribution with different desktops, as well as trying multiple distributions?

    Let me briefly summarize my experience using Linux. I used the KDE desktop on Manjaro and added the 'drm modeset=1' setting because without it, the screen could only run at 60Hz. Then, I reinstalled the system and switched to the GNOME desktop on Manjaro. Of course, to make GNOME's Wayland also run at 240Hz refresh rate, I had to add 'drm modeset=1' as well. But the end result was that the GNOME desktop was smooth and fluid. At this point, I was already confused about the KDE desktop, but Manjaro's Nvidia driver version was 550, so I couldn’t directly conclude that it was the KDE desktop's fault.

    Next, I heard that Cachy OS has a lot of performance optimizations, so I reinstalled Cachy OS, also using the KDE desktop. At this time, the Nvidia driver was version 560, but the result was still stuttering. I reinstalled Cachy OS and chose the GNOME desktop, which was again much smoother than the KDE desktop. I admit, I had a lot of free time during the holidays, but all these tests indicate that KDE's desktop performance optimization is poor. Otherwise, why does the GNOME desktop have no issues?"

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    • #12
      Originally posted by mrg666 View Post
      You sound stupid not blunt.
      Ryzen 3700U laptop (Thinkpad E495) is totally fine here (Plasma 6.1.5, FC40). Actually, four other computers with 6800XT, 7600XT, 7800XT, and 7900XT are also fine. You might want to check your screen refresh rate. But if GNOME is okay with you, just stay there.
      "Do you think everyone else is foolish, and only you are smart? Why do you assume from the start that I don't know anything or haven't taken any steps? Linux is a niche thing, and when a computer enthusiast first uses the KDE desktop and tries to solve issues but can't, this is the experience they encounter."

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      • #13
        Originally posted by bitterseeds View Post

        It sounds like you don't have the Nvidia drivers that you need. You don't mention what distro, or what version of the Nvidia drivers you are using ...

        This sounds like a skill issue.
        Thank you for your kind reply . The two distributions I have installed, manjaro and cachy os, both have automatic nvidia graphics drivers.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by benjiro View Post
          A yes, the typical friendly Linux community in action...

          User with (potential) less skills to solve a specific graphical driver or other issue (that already puts him in the 99% of all users). Maybe blames the issue on the wrong problem, but this is very common. Not everybody is in the knowhow of every aspect of a OS, that prides itself for having a few hundred distros, each with mixed tools, setups, driver defaults and other settings.

          From the 6 replies, we have 3 directly or indirectly insulting the user, one that is actually helpful, and one that is somewhat helpful. And one that blames the competitive desktop, that is irrelevant to the user issue.

          2/6 ... We call this a failing score! And i wonder why Linux Desktop has issue bring people in the fold... /s
          The guy is totally new on Phoronix with his first post, and didn't restrict his comments to the technical at all.

          "I have reason to believe that the future of the KDE desktop, solely relying on sponsorships, is quite bleak." doesn't sound like someone seeking help, it sounds like someone trolling with an alt account they just setup. And congrats to him, he apparently got a bunch of people to bite.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by benjiro View Post
            A yes, the typical friendly Linux community in action...

            User with (potential) less skills to solve a specific graphical driver or other issue (that already puts him in the 99% of all users). Maybe blames the issue on the wrong problem, but this is very common. Not everybody is in the knowhow of every aspect of a OS, that prides itself for having a few hundred distros, each with mixed tools, setups, driver defaults and other settings.

            From the 6 replies, we have 3 directly or indirectly insulting the user, one that is actually helpful, and one that is somewhat helpful. And one that blames the competitive desktop, that is irrelevant to the user issue.

            2/6 ... We call this a failing score! And i wonder why Linux Desktop has issue bring people in the fold... /s
            Maybe because the said user didn't only posted his problem, but also provided the answer to what was wrong in their opinion: blaming it to the DE and than going on to remark that everything about said DE (KDE) is very bad and the future of it is "quite bleak", because of his "problem". That's quite stupid and people get annoyed when reading this. If this person only posted their problem and not his very weird and wild conclusion, the reactions would be far more helpful.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by benjiro View Post
              A yes, the typical friendly Linux community in action...

              User with (potential) less skills to solve a specific graphical driver or other issue (that already puts him in the 99% of all users). Maybe blames the issue on the wrong problem, but this is very common. Not everybody is in the knowhow of every aspect of a OS, that prides itself for having a few hundred distros, each with mixed tools, setups, driver defaults and other settings.

              From the 6 replies, we have 3 directly or indirectly insulting the user, one that is actually helpful, and one that is somewhat helpful. And one that blames the competitive desktop, that is irrelevant to the user issue.

              2/6 ... We call this a failing score! And i wonder why Linux Desktop has issue bring people in the fold... /s
              Hey, we are playing "blunt talk", don't spoil it.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by benjiro View Post
                A yes, the typical friendly Linux community in action...

                User with (potential) less skills to solve a specific graphical driver or other issue (that already puts him in the 99% of all users). Maybe blames the issue on the wrong problem, but this is very common. Not everybody is in the knowhow of every aspect of a OS, that prides itself for having a few hundred distros, each with mixed tools, setups, driver defaults and other settings.

                From the 6 replies, we have 3 directly or indirectly insulting the user, one that is actually helpful, and one that is somewhat helpful. And one that blames the competitive desktop, that is irrelevant to the user issue.

                2/6 ... We call this a failing score! And i wonder why Linux Desktop has issue bring people in the fold... /s
                Or instead of blaming, he/she could've asked how to solve it.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by dark♂boy View Post

                  "Do you think everyone else is foolish, and only you are smart? Why do you assume from the start that I don't know anything or haven't taken any steps? Linux is a niche thing, and when a computer enthusiast first uses the KDE desktop and tries to solve issues but can't, this is the experience they encounter."
                  THEY encounter? So you're now assuming that everybody encounters this issue? No wonder GNOME is #1, if no one is able to use KDE… [/s]

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                  • #19
                    bhut bhut people tell me it's rock solid as it is

                    ah that probably was 6.1.9 or something <snicker>

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by dark♂boy View Post

                      "Do you think everyone else is foolish, and only you are smart? Why do you assume from the start that I don't know anything or haven't taken any steps? Linux is a niche thing, and when a computer enthusiast first uses the KDE desktop and tries to solve issues but can't, this is the experience they encounter."
                      No, everyone is not foolish, of course. Forgive me for being blunt™, you seem to be an exemplary specimen though.

                      Edit: Hey, I like this "blunt talk" game, keep at it!
                      Last edited by mrg666; 30 September 2024, 07:17 AM.

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