GNOME Mutter 46.2 Rolls Out To Ubuntu 24.04 Users, Experimental VRR Remains Rough

[Topolino]

Look at System76 and PopOS.

Look at Mint because that is where PopOS and Budgie are going. Rinse and Repeat, new BreakawayOS will arise.

[NeoMorpheus]

Ubuntu will drag their feet on packaging 558.58 drivers though.

And as usual, instead of blaming the real culprit, Ngreedia, you blame the victim, Ubuntu.

I see why the OG Linux “beardnecks” are the way they are.

[kmare]

Bummer. Was looking forward to having explicit sync on my hybrid AMD APU+Nvidia dGPU laptop.

Same here, just different configuration for my work laptop (Intel + NVidia). Explicit sync with the new 555 drivers would have helped a lot....
I'm using ubuntu 24.04, but at this point I'm really considering switching to Fedora (already do on my personal laptop/PC).

[skeevy420]

Look at Mint because that is where PopOS and Budgie are going. Rinse and Repeat, new BreakawayOS will arise.

Budgie and Mint (the desktop), perhaps, because they're more closely tied to GNOME technologies, but not Cosmic. System76 is trying to get away from all of that. Cosmic is also funded by hardware sales from a company invested in its success. The same isn't true for other desktop environments or Linux distributions where even if you can buy specialized hardware it's built by a 3rd party.

At most, both Linux Mint and PopOS are tied to whatever Ubuntu does, but that doesn't affect the desktop as much as being tied to GNOME does. Both their desktops are available in a lot of other places making the core distribution the desktops use rather moot at this point.

mmstick

That reply got me wondering and instead of assuming and speculating I'll just ask since you post here: Way back in the day when Cosmic was essentially a massive GNOME plugin it made a lot of sense for PopOS to be based on Ubuntu. Now that Cosmic is nearing release, has the need to base PopOS on a stable GNOME distribution like Ubuntu changed?

Or, like Mint, since you have the freedoms to do whatever you want, nothing Ubuntu does would affect you too much so does that make a need to base PopOS another distribution moot?

Have y'all considered becoming your own thing entirely; like a new Debian-based distribution; like SUSE is to RHEL?

To put all that in another, simpler way: since the goals of PopOS and Cosmic have changed, has that affected a reconsideration of choice in using Ubuntu as the basis of PopOS?

I don't really know y'all's working relationship with Ubuntu, Canonical, and Debian so I don't know if those are good questions to ask. Good luck with your upcoming release

[Daktyl198]

I like how you are reality have never met. it does however lead to poor quality trolling.

How many enterprise stability distributions offer a default desktop other than gnome?

RHEL? Gnome
Ubuntu LTS? Gnome
Debian? Gnome
SUSE? Gnome.

Even historically non-gnome places like SUSE have Gnome as their desktop for their enterprise offering.

To be fair, even though I like Gnome I don't think it's particularly good as a default desktop for workstation distributions. Mainly it's been picked because
1. Historically, Gnome2 was the default DE for most distributions because it was clearly the best at the time. That just kinda rolled into Gnome 3+
2. Other than KDE Plasma, there are no real contenders for "default desktop experience". All other desktops are not integrated properly with themselves, or are focused too much on things like being lightweight. And Plasma was generally less stable than Gnome until the 6.0 release.

Until now, picking Gnome has really been picking "the lesser of two evils". I'm looking forward to Plasma 6.1+ and hopefully Cosmic in the future competing against Gnome properly for default desktop installs. Competition makes everything better.

[Daktyl198]

Have y'all considered becoming your own thing entirely; like a new Debian-based distribution; like SUSE is to RHEL?

To put all that in another, simpler way: since the goals of PopOS and Cosmic have changed, has that affected a reconsideration of choice in using Ubuntu as the basis of PopOS?

I don't really know y'all's working relationship with Ubuntu, Canonical, and Debian so I don't know if those are good questions to ask. Good luck with your upcoming release

I'm not mmstick, but to be honest there's really no reason to. Other than avoiding snaps (which is super simple for downstream distros to do), the Ubuntu base is solid, well tested, with a great infrastructure behind it. And your users get the benefit of being able to google issues and get Ubuntu answers. The only real reason to NOT base on Ubuntu is if you want to be a rolling release distro, as even if you want to package things slightly differently, all you have to do is add an additional repo on top of the existing ones and put in the specific packages you want to change.

[Topolino]

Competition makes everything better.

FOSS: Cooperation makes everything even better. Canonical relearns this every 3-5 years. 24.10 is already shaping up bring a lot of value for desktop users.

[Daktyl198]

Canonical relearns this every 3-5 years.

Not sure why people still believe that Canonical is somehow antithetical to FOSS. They routinely create FOSS solutions to problems and invite other developers and distros to help make their solution better.

Not their fault that Red Hat tends to come around a year later, make something basically the same but market it better and get more support. To Canonical's credit, they then drop their own software and follow the "industry standard". Snap is the one place they haven't done that, and it's because flatpaks don't have everything that Canonical's enterprise users want.

[skeevy420]

I'm not mmstick, but to be honest there's really no reason to. Other than avoiding snaps (which is super simple for downstream distros to do), the Ubuntu base is solid, well tested, with a great infrastructure behind it. And your users get the benefit of being able to google issues and get Ubuntu answers. The only real reason to NOT base on Ubuntu is if you want to be a rolling release distro, as even if you want to package things slightly differently, all you have to do is add an additional repo on top of the existing ones and put in the specific packages you want to change.

That's what I assume, too. I'm just curious and could have probably picked a better time and place to ask.

[Topolino]

Not their fault that Red Hat tends to come around a year later, make something basically the same but market it better and get more support. To Canonical's credit, they then drop their own software and follow the "industry standard".

Not really the case here. Seems like Red Hat and Canonical get along fine and try to agree on what to backport to Ubuntu 24.04 and what to prepare for 24.10.