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  • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
    There are tons of historic Civilizations that no longer exist because they would not have what we call common sense today.
    you wrongfully make it look like that there can ever exist a civilisation who at any point in the future does not goes into a status that they no longer exist as a civilisation.
    this gives you the false illusion that our civilisation today is any better than these civilisations who no longer exist. in 1000 years people will talk about our civilisation in the same way and will say that our civilisation no longer exist because of course they will claim we did lag any common sense...

    you see your argument is a non-argument because in 1000 years people will talk about us as a total failure as well.
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    • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
      Academic knowledge is items you can be taught.
      in W o k e Academia you can not learn anything useful or anything of relevance.
      of course they claim otherwise to make sure you make debt to finance your time at the university and then you will be debt s l a v e your complete life and pay of your student loan​ of your degree.
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      • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
        To be correct civilizations need professional knowledge to exist. Academic knowledge is just a short cut. Book smart vs Street smart both can give the knowledge end up at professional in field knowledge. Academic knowledge as in book smart allows you to skip over decades of trial and error that could possible kill you before you can get to having the same level of professional knowledge of course you still have to have the skills to professionally apply the book smart or it useless...

        i do not share your woke academia definition of civilisation.

        civilisation exists on stuff that is NEVER teaches in universities.
        and there is a book and even many books and even TV series about this.

        i will show you an example and it is all stuff what does not exist in woke academia.

        this book for example: howtorebuildcivilization . com

        TV series with similar topic: wikipedia: Dr. Stone

        another book who proof that academia is for the s t u p i d people is the book Codex Humanus

        vitaminum . net / gebundene-buecher / 130 / codex-humanus-das-buch-der-menschlichkeit-4-baende-2-bonus-ebooks?c=9

        this book is legendary and it is anti-academia no university teach this knowledge.

        people who go to w o k e university in 2024 will not learn anything of this.
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        • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
          I will tell you the reality. Common sense is absolutely not required for a Civilization to exist. It was common sense to smoke to cure lung conditions back in the Victorian times yes latter studies shows short term relief with long term made conditions worse not better. Common sense as the reason for doing some is common excuse by idiots doing stupid things.
          what you say here is all wrong and i can proof it. i have a book here exactly about this topic and it quote many university studies who well guess what disprove all your points here.

          there are even studies with the headline of: smoking tobacco/nicotin cause lung cancer
          and then you do not believe the headline and you check the study data yourself then you discover that tobacco/nicotin protect poor sociological groups from cancer. because it stimulate the immunsystem and they can not afford expensive doctors. the super rich elites only come to the conclusion that not to smoke tobacco is better because if they get cancer then they can afford expensive doctor. there are even studies who proof that nicotine destroy cancer cells in the brain. so you really have bad luck that i did in fact study this topic heavily and of course you will lose any intellectual fight in this topic.

          one of the sources who collect the proof of these claims:
          Gerhard Wisnewski: verheimlicht vertuscht vergessen was 2019 nicht in der Zeitung stand
          Page 246-257 Topic: Wundermittel Nikotin Warum Rauchen und Dampfen wirklich verteufelt werden.

          in english:
          Gerhard Wisnewski: concealed, covered up, forgotten what was not in the newspaper in 2019
          Page 246-257 Topic: Miracle cure nicotine Why smoking and vaping are really demonized.​

          if you do not trust this book i will give you another source

          " Potential effects of nicotine on glioblastoma and chemoradiotherapy: a review"
          pubmed . ncbi . nlm . nih . gov / 31092064/

          these sources say exactly the opposit if what you say.

          i also know 2 books who proof with science source what is the true cause of cancer and its not tobacco/nicotin
          its omega6 and carbon hydrates

          see this book:
          Dr.Paul Saladino: On the dangers of seed oils (Omega 6 fats): Featuring Interviews with Dr. Chris Knobbe and other Linoleic Acid Experts Taschenbuch – 26. Februar 2023

          ​and this one: Dr.Chris Knobbe - The Omega 6 Apokalypse.: Seed oils as cause of cancer, diabetes & heart attacks Taschenbuch – 25. Februar 2022

          ​for the carbon hydrate cancer claim see this book:

          Abnehmen und heilen mit der optimierten Keto-Diät: Schneller Fettabbau, gesunde Mitochondrien, gesteigerte Autophagie, mehr Energie und Vitalität, ... gegen degenerative Erkrankungen und Krebs. Broschiert – 22. November 2019

          ​and this book:

          Unlocking the Keto Code: The Revolutionary New Science of Keto That Offers More Benefits Without Deprivation (The Plant Paradox, 7, Band 7) Gebundene Ausgabe – 8. März 2022

          and this one

          The Case for Keto: Rethinking Weight Control and the Science and Practice of Low-Carb/High-Fat Eating Taschenbuch – 28. Dezember 2021
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          • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
            People with professional skills/knowledge are required to a Civilization exists. Yes even a hunter gatherer has a set of professional skills and knowledge. Common sense is human false confidence so anyone who absolute believes common sense will Darwin award themselves so other humans can get professional knowledge from their exit from the gene pool. Really qarium you need to wake up how little important common sense is before I find your name in a Darwin award.
            i already did disprove every example and every claim you did above to disprove the importance of common sense.
            if you study The Metaphysics of Aristotle you can discover that every modern science that gives a true and beneficial result is based on common sense.

            but it is clear that W o k e Academia do not teach The Metaphysics of Aristotle instead they only teach the Kant's Socialism​ b u l l s h i t. see here:

            jstor . org / stable / 23559148

            " Aristotle Greater then Kant"
            emmaclarebeautyandbrains . wordpress . com / 2015 / 07 / 05 / aristotle-versus-kant /

            "Really qarium you need to wake up how little important common sense is before I find your name in a Darwin award."

            man this is really funny because studies show that women who come from academia background do not reproduce they have less than 0.8 children per women below the necessary reproducing rate of 2,4 children per women.
            and also the males with academia background also do not reproduce.

            you claim that i will k i l l myself and i will get Darwin award but your Academia people reject to reproduce and this cause that they remove themself from the gene pool by making sure they remove themself of the gene pool of the next generation. this alone proof that academia is plain and simple s t u p i d and people who come into the influence of w o k e academia become s t u p i d as hell.​​​​​​​​​​
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            • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
              qarium any argument with common sense as a core item to why it has to be is always wrong.​
              yes of course people like you will claim that everything in the book Cod ex Hum anus is wro ng because it is a com mon-se nse-only book. Academia will tell you its all wr ong.

              i can show you such a Academia n o n s e n s e what proof that this world view is complete b u l l s h i t.

              wikipedia: Natura listic fal lacy

              see this as an example what W o k e Academia teach you.

              well i can tell you every smart person ever existed on planed earth did admit that Natu ralistic world view means the view that anything what the nature does is right and just is the only correct world view.

              and everything what academia teaches like Nat uralistic fal lacy is complete b u l l s h i t.

              just to name one super smart j e w i s h / atheist philosopher who declared the Natur alistic world view the correct one was B a r u c h d e S p i n o z a he clearly said in his argument that Academia teaching of Natur alistic falla cy is for losers and nonsense.

              the core point why the e v i l academia teach Naturali stic Falla ncy because they have w o k e f e m i n i s t standpoint
              means for them it is wrong that males have 40% more mus cles than fem ales and by this stronger and it is wrong that males have higher IQ and because males are more intelligent and stronger males of course are the natural leaders and women will always only be second place. but these w o k e f e m i n i s t s who control academia developed the Natu ralistic fa llacy theory that this is all wrong.

              i say it is how it is... and f e m i n i s t s are just cry b a b y s.


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              • Originally posted by drastic View Post
                My question was: Do YOU have evidence?
                my argument is not based on evidence because of this i do not need evidence.
                my argument is based on the fact that you have a inflexible mind.

                hard to unterstand for a person with your inflexible mind i know.

                Originally posted by drastic View Post
                I wasn't asking what other posters have said
                who cares ?

                Originally posted by drastic View Post
                or whether you agree with them. I want you to answer. And, try to keep it shorter than oiaohm's quasi-answer.
                i did answer but you did not understand my argument. my answer about your inflexible mind was much much much shorter than the answer oiaohm did give you.
                you just show that you have a inflexible mind and because of this you are not able to even understand what is relevance. something can be academically correct and at the same time has zero relevance.

                Originally posted by drastic View Post
                I would assume that a person as smart as you can answer my question concisely and clearly.
                i did already answer your question multible times but your inflexible mind this bock you to understand anything.

                Originally posted by drastic View Post
                Again: Do you have any evidence that tetrachromats see titanium dioxide pigment as not-white?
                your repeat game will not work on me because i have unlimited time. i can ruine your complete life if you want by just waste your time.

                my argument was not based on evidence and my argument did not need any evidence.

                i did a classical Argumentum ad hominem​ this type of argument does not need "evidence"

                inside of this argument it is only your inflexible mind that matters.

                you did already proof multible times that you have inflexible mind this is the proof of a Argumentum ad hominem​
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                • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                  No the scientific answer is not always black and white.
                  It possible to prove scientifically that particular Tetrachormat human does not see titanium dioxide as white. This is why is maybe. Because its not Tetrachormats in general who don't see titanium dioxide as white.
                  drastic question is too broad. Yes issue you run into where too broad of question yes/no answers don't work. Tetrachomats may see titanium dioxide as not white but this is not the general Teterchormats.
                  drastic question has Teterchormats. as single group. His question is like asking do all humans have a dick? and giving yes/no as a option and of course a question like that does not work. There are many sub groups inside Teterchormats.
                  I answered the question scientifically. Drastic over restricted answer. In fact add one word to his question.
                  This can be answered with a simple yes answer as there is evidence for this.
                  This would be a no answer based off current evidence.
                  qarium a scientific answer does allow altering defective/over broad the question to make it answerable.
                  The second one is important a person may personally know a tetrachromats and that person can only see titanium dioxide as common white. This is the common sense/common knowledge defect. Also those two answers to slightly altered Drastic questions say qarium using tetrachromats to push a point is not a good idea. You will run into the same problem as two tetrachromats fighting over if something is the same color or not with someone being confused.
                  oiaohm you are a smart person and i admit that you are smart but even you did completely miss the purpose of my tetrachromat question to drastic.

                  my purpose was never to get any answer. even not your version of a so called perfect answer.

                  my purpose was just a Psychological Operation to proof a Argumentum ad hominem the point that he has inflexible mind.

                  and this makes this conversation a mission impossible because i have a very flexible mind and he is only able to think linear without any flexibility.

                  to explain to him in linear logic that he is wrong is impossible because of his inflexible mind.

                  because of the inflexible mind he will not accept any answer who does not give him right.

                  this means you can choose 2 options: you give him right in every point he want or else you quit the discussion.

                  i did the second but with style.
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                  • Originally posted by qarium View Post
                    what you say here is all wrong and i can proof it. i have a book here exactly about this topic and it quote many university studies who well guess what disprove all your points here.
                    I particularly said lung conditions.



                    Yes is trap. I was not talking about "tobacco/nicotin". Breathing smoke as a treatment to lung conditions this include your Herbal cigarette.

                    To be correct civilizations need professional knowledge to exist. Academic knowledge is just a short cut. Book smart vs Street smart both can give the knowledge end up at professional in field knowledge. Academic knowledge as in book smart allows you to skip over decades of trial and error that could possible kill you before you can get to having the same level of professional knowledge of course you still have to have the skills to professionally apply the book smart or it useless...
                    Please read this again. I don't class Academic knowledge as everything.

                    if you study The Metaphysics of Aristotle you can discover that every modern science that gives a true and beneficial result is based on common sense.
                    Someone has not read that first book of that. Book I or Alpha​. Is a very good read it does contain a anti common sense section.

                    Aristotle methods are not common sense and he was very clear on this. You must know the why not use everyone does this or any other form of common sense short cut.

                    Human brain likes the idea of common sense because is less thinking.

                    Also Metaphysics from Aristotle is not the base of modern science.

                    The reality is both Aristotle and kent are wrong.

                    Yes Aristotle own method takes part is own books.


                    There is a greek but its not Aristotle the person you are look for is "Thales of Miletus". Turns out "The Metaphysics of Aristotle" contain some major issues. Thales reworked all the books of Aristotle that he used in teaching.

                    Thales is the one who says "natural explanations, proclaiming that every event had a natural cause". Thales cross reference all the collected data from all the major libraries of the time he could access.​ Thales access Babylonian and Egyptian libraries as well as the greek stuff. The core of the scientific method is Babylonian and Egyptian.

                    Something else to be aware of is sections of Aristotle books when you access the greek reference material you find out are not Aristotle work.

                    Yes if you are raw correct set "The Metaphysics of Aristotle" in greek without the Thales there is no way to make the scientific method from it.

                    qarium it does annoy me that people are not taught Thales. You have these stupid debates about Aristotile vs Kent when Thales proved Aristotle stuff was garbage lots of areas and made the fixed version. Thales does not agree with Aristotle or Kent.

                    Aristotile agent-centered, Kent duty based, Thales reproducible results based. Thales disagreed with both Aristotle and Kent. Thales also was not into moral rules.

                    Of course qarium would be a fool who would believe modern science goes back to Aristotile alone. Thales in his writing is clear that sections of is stuff don't come from Aristotile but are in fact either Babylonian and Egyptian. Babylonian is the base to that everything has a natural explanation without this you are not getting very far making the scientific method.

                    The is a key Egyptian, Babylonian and Greek that Thales references you need all 3 to end up with modern day science. Qarium most people only can name Greek being Aristotle but without the other parts fro the Egyptian and Babylonian you don't get base modern scientific method so you don't get all the results of modern beneficial science..

                    Thales is the "school of natural philosophy" and this is a very important event you don't modern science without it.

                    Past Thales you have multi parallel inventions of different fields of modern science. But you don't have multi parallel inventions of Thales work.

                    There were more than one party who wrote works like Aristotle. Thales is the key stone here.
                    Last edited by oiaohm; 18 June 2024, 01:02 AM.

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                    • @quarium, you don't need to try dropping "truth bombs" on everyone about "advanced race theory" or Hitler secretly being jewish or tetrachromacy or woke academia or your 4-digit IQ score; you're in the comment section of a Phoronix article on browser fingerprinting published a whole week ago. That conversation derailed so hard it's doing off-road at the bottom of a lake. You don't need to quote-reply just about every comment here just to try and get the last word on everyone who'd entertain you with a response in a conversation you yourself steered in all directions at once.

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