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  • panikal
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    Originally posted by mxan View Post
    Love all the political nonsense in the blog post too. Free software has nothing to do with LGBT pride, why do they insist on shoehorning it in?
    .... I mean the title of the Blog Post is " #151 Pride Month" so if you even read you would understand 'why'.

    Free software has everything to do with freedoms from arbitrary restrictions on development and usage of the things you own and have rights to. Free software pushes for rights to do what you want, when you want, with the things you own. Sympathetic on a high level with the LGBTQ struggle and apropos 'politically' with most free software organizations I know. Its just the commenters in forums that tend to get vitriolic or hyperbolic about these sorts of 'solidarity' call outs.

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  • Noitatsidem
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    Originally posted by User42 View Post
    Why is it that a social fight that has been won for decades in the Western world generally needs to be put in the limelight like this as if it was an undergoing battle?
    if you think the fight has been "won" you haven't been paying attention.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by User42 View Post

    Two things.

    I asked myself the question and I'm bi, what does it make me in your little description?

    I'd say lacking empathy if we're sticking to that crappy list of three I had. You're an LGBTQ person that seems to be getting upset that they're advocating for LGBTQ rights during Pride Month. To me, that makes this is the most appropriate time to bring any of this up.

    ​Second, if we are down to exposing what people do in bed, as if it mattered in free software, and try to be truly inclusive, I think we should start to seriously speak about overfishing, global warming, illiteracy (almost always found in specific groups btw), light pollution, cancer (some specifically target groups and minorities) and other subjects.

    I do bring up topics like that. Most people don't care. I'm actually passionate about a few of those topics if you'd like to change the subject after this.

    ​Why is it that a social fight that has been won for decades in the Western world generally needs to be put in the limelight like this as if it was an undergoing battle?

    Because it hasn't been won for decades. It's been tolerated in bigger cities for three or four decades, but the farther you go from the cities, the more intolerant it becomes.

    ​And why do people like you still choose to be offended and outraged when someone simply says they don't see the point raising this kind of issues in a software release PR? Why do I feel that I absolutely need to expose my sexuality publicly (when I DON'T WANT TO DO IT) because I'm sure a moron like you will just answer saying I'm a white straight man bigot (oh, I'm a woman btw, I realise that "bi" is not specific enough) to FEEL SAFE expressing what should be the obvious.
    I can't answer for everyone else, but I can answer for myself if you're willing to listen to it.

    Because everyone that I've met, and remember that I live in Redneckistan, Arkansas, that didn't openly support LGBTQ rights has almost always been a bigot; both men and women. If they weren't a bigot, they took the position of silence out of fear of harassment or they became bigots behind closed doors and online. It takes courage and bravery to be openly LGBTQ or an advocate where I live. I say that as someone who was in the USMC Infantry 19 years ago and has been shot at 5 times. They're tougher than I am.

    Anyways, now that there's some context I can answer your question. Because of my experiences of living in an overly hateful area, it's very easy for me to assume someone who isn't an open LGBTQ advocate is either a bigot or is afraid of retaliation from the bigots. For me, that's just normal life. When you're on the internet speaking anonymously at a place where people get banned for hate speech and threats, there's no reason to not be an ally so when I see that someone isn't I default to my local prejudices.

    Since you brought it up, my assumption of you was that you were a straight woman. Until you mentioning it today there wasn't any reason to bring that up outside of me being curious about how well or not I am with reading context clues. My curiosities aren't reason enough to out a woman and cause her grief so that's not something I'd bring up. I hope harassment and innuendo doesn't happen to you after today after saying that. Then again, I have trust issues. Telling me that I make people feel unsafe makes it hard to believe you when you say you're a bi woman. Why would you say that to someone who potentially makes you feel unsafe?

    As much as I understand you really mean well... You are part of the problem. You make people feel unsafe. You apply selective tolerance, which is not tolerance but biggotry. Just stop doing it a'd stop assuming that if people have diverging opinions, especially about loosely related concepts, that they are against whatever you are trying to defend.
    You call it selective tolerance, I call it reactive tolerance. I could care less about anyone or anything for nearly any reason until they start hurting or hating on another person...or they use GNOME ...dammit, I can only be serious for so long. I do have a bias towards retaliatory-free indifference by assuming they're on the side of bigotry and hate, I'll admit. You'd think I'd be more compassionate of that based on where I'm from and everything that I just previously said, but instead I'm the opposite. Have you ever seen the South Park episode The Death Camp on Tolerance? I've become a Tolerance NAZI.

    I tend to forget that for some people the internet is their way of escaping the things in life they don't want to be around and that they don't want to hear aggressive thoughts and prayers like I essentially did with that previous post. That also includes me forgetting that some people is both those who agree and disagree about a subject, hence why I could limit my thoughts to you being without empathy instead of just wanting to discuss GNOME like any other rational person in a comment section about Linux and GNOME.

    I don't feel insulted if someone says they want to see software-related stuff in a software release and not LGBTQ+ activism. I don't even see how anyone sensible could relate that to biggotry or closed-mindedness.
    I don't either, but if someone asks "why do they insist on shoehorning it in?" during Pride Month of all times then as someone who lives in an extremely hateful place surrounded by the kinds of people that want to take away the rights of LGBTQ folks, colored folks, people of the wrong religion, people who immigrated from the wrong places, and more, I can give a unique perspective that people who live in more progressive areas might not see on a regular basis or ever. How often do y'all hear that kind of hateful talk about random storage containers on a shelf? For me, that's an average day of the week. It's tiring.

    You asked tough questions that made me self reflect so I apologize for going on for so long.

    My trust issues aside, I also would like to apologize if or that I made you, or anyone else, feel unsafe. I've lived most of my life feeling unsafe. It's awful. That's not something I'd want anyone else to have to feel or to cause anyone to feel. Anger, disappointment, and general dislike towards me, sure, those are usually the hallmarks of a great debate, but not unsafe. Never unsafe.

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  • spicfoo
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    Originally posted by mxan View Post

    Of course LGBT people deserve equal rights and equal treatment as everyone else, no one is denying that. My issue is that several projects keep doing irrelevant, corporate-style virtue signalling
    Of course millions of people around the world do want to deny equal treatment for these people including killing them. Denying this is just denying reality. As for rainbow capitalism, corporations do it because it is profitable and it is relevant for them. Complaining about a blurb in a blog is the most snowflaky shit anyway. As long as people are involved in free software, you can't separate them from their identity, be it racial, sexual, religious or political which is why Phoronix is full of these comments. People who genuinely don't care will ignore it and move on.

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  • User42
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Everyone I've ever heard ask that question was either a bigot, lacked empathy for others, or was very religious. The reason it keeps being brought up in all sorts of odd places is because LGBTQ is roughly 25% of the population, they have next to no rights or protections, and the world is skewing towards positions of hate and nonacceptance.
    Two things.

    I asked myself the question and I'm bi, what does it make me in your little description?

    Second, if we are down to exposing what people do in bed, as if it mattered in free software, and try to be truly inclusive, I think we should start to seriously speak about overfishing, global warming, illiteracy (almost always found in specific groups btw), light pollution, cancer (some specifically target groups and minorities) and other subjects.

    Why is it that a social fight that has been won for decades in the Western world generally needs to be put in the limelight like this as if it was an undergoing battle?

    And why do people like you still choose to be offended and outraged when someone simply says they don't see the point raising this kind of issues in a software release PR? Why do I feel that I absolutely need to expose my sexuality publicly (when I DON'T WANT TO DO IT) because I'm sure a moron like you will just answer saying I'm a white straight man bigot (oh, I'm a woman btw, I realise that "bi" is not specific enough) to FEEL SAFE expressing what should be the obvious.

    As much as I understand you really mean well... You are part of the problem. You make people feel unsafe. You apply selective tolerance, which is not tolerance but biggotry. Just stop doing it a'd stop assuming that if people have diverging opinions, especially about loosely related concepts, that they are against whatever you are trying to defend.

    I don't feel insulted if someone says they want to see software-related stuff in a software release and not LGBTQ+ activism. I don't even see how anyone sensible could relate that to biggotry or closed-mindedness.

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  • mxan
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    Originally posted by SWY1985 View Post

    The fact that LGBT pride is a political issue at all proves that we have a long way to go yet. I'd rather we don't have the discussion at all and we could just let people be without being harassed for being different, but as long as people take issue with it, LGBT pride serves a purpose.
    Of course LGBT people deserve equal rights and equal treatment as everyone else, no one is denying that. My issue is that several projects keep doing irrelevant, corporate-style virtue signalling. Using GNOME, KDE, Freedesktop, Mozilla, Apache, Debian, Fedora, or any other project that does this weird virtue signalling, doesn't magically make LGBT peoples' lives better. The vast majority of people in free software really don't give a F who or what you are as long as you write good code. If anything, certain major projects with a political element have made the effort to exclude, harass, and publicly shame contributors whose privately-expressed views weren't 100% aligned with their own.
    Last edited by mxan; 09 June 2024, 01:26 PM.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by mxan View Post
    Love all the political nonsense in the blog post too. Free software has nothing to do with LGBT pride, why do they insist on shoehorning it in?
    Everyone I've ever heard ask that question was either a bigot, lacked empathy for others, or was very religious. The reason it keeps being brought up in all sorts of odd places is because LGBTQ is roughly 25% of the population, they have next to no rights or protections, and the world is skewing towards positions of hate and nonacceptance. There's a lot LGBTQ in the FOSS scene because were mostly accepting of anyone from anywhere for any reason....as long as they like KDE

    A lot of the excessive LGBTQ propaganda also comes from America and other non-free, extra religious countries where you can't even go to the grocery store and buy a multi-colored plastic food storage system without hearing hate speech from random people. That product led me to overhearing a jovial hate conversation between some lovely Christian folks after church last week. People like that are why I try my damnedest to not go grocery shopping past 11am on Sunday outside of exceptions like picking up my Mom's prescriptions last Sunday. Once they've gone to church and have been cleared of the previous week's sins they're free to go show the world Real Christian Love.

    As much as all the LGBTQ propaganda annoys me due to me being a person who believes that everyone deserves equal rights and protections, I understand why it's there and that it'll keep being front and center until they have actual rights.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    —Martin Niemöller


    First they came for the hippies, and I did not speak out—because I was not a hippie.

    Then they came for the women, and I did not speak out—because I was not a woman.

    Then they came for the LGBTQs, and I did not speak out—because I was not an LGBTQ.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    —Skeevy420 reflecting on the 1960s and forward

    ​Now the jails are full of drug users who haven't victimized anyone other than themselves. Women have had their rights go in reverse so they die instead of getting medical care. The Regressionists latest tactic is to make it seem like LGBTQ is aligned with Pedos to try and undo what support they've gained. That's why you have to fight the Regressionists and support progressive legislation even if you're not an ally of what the progressive legislation supports. Everyone needs allies and you never know when they'll come for you.

    Rights should be rights regardless. American Rights involves age ranges, gender, sexual orientation, color, place of birth. What really sucks is even if you check all the right boxes to qualify for rights, when you go to sign up for state government provided healthcare the very first sentence is how they might take your estate upon death to repay services rendered. Even our rights have stipulations and can be reneged upon death. Rights should be rights regardless.

    When your society is like a TV show where everyone hates the monster of the week, you never know when you'll become the monster of the week. That's the scariest part about living in America. You have no idea of knowing when or how you'll become The Hated.

    By not supporting LGBTQ rights and allowing the Governments to pass legislation that denies LGBTQ people rights, that allows Governments to start passing more laws for more divisions of rights.

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  • moonlite
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    Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
    I'm not sure that Gnome should develop their own applications.
    This Phoronix article indeed made it sound like the 3D model viewer and the CAD program was made by GNOME even though they're not.

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  • gabber
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    Originally posted by SWY1985 View Post

    The fact that LGBT pride is a political issue at all proves that we have a long way to go yet. I'd rather we don't have the discussion at all and we could just let people be without being harassed for being different, but as long as people take issue with it, LGBT pride serves a purpose.
    In this case the LGBT pride is harassing everybody else. Neither your sexual orientation nor your political stance has anything to do with this topic, which is software in case you forgot.
    I could not care less about the sexual preference of who develops software I use. If by some coincidence the best software is written by homosexual vegan albinos from himalaya with Klinefelter Syndrome, guess I'm using their software.

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  • IanW
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    Blender is a bit chunky to load simply to view a 3D file. I prefer the existing "FSTL" tool.

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