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  • cj.wijtmans
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    Originally posted by bug77 View Post

    Well, if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, the answer becomes apparent: Linux doesn't suck. It successfully underpins the backbone of the Internet, it carries most of the mobile phones in the world. What doesn't work so well is Linux desktop. And that's because, unlike server-oriented distros or Android, which are governed by a single body, the Linux desktop is still a wild-west, for various reasons.
    Considering that, Linux works surprisingly well on the desktop, imho. And I try to remember all that whenever I run into a papercut, instead of blaming <insert_company_you_dislike_here> for not fixing the ecosystem as a whole.
    I am not talking about servers. And talking about servers who uses AMD in servers anyway. And you make a baseless assumption about me not liking AMD when all i run is AMD gpu and cpu on gentoo desktops and homelab. Still need to replace intel vps and laptop tho.
    Last edited by cj.wijtmans; 03 December 2023, 07:58 PM.

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  • cj.wijtmans
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    Originally posted by partcyborg View Post

    The only thing exposed here is your lack of understanding how any of this works. AMD drivers are already in mesa. This has nothing to do with the kernel architecture. Drivers are already modular. In many cases you could probably just backport amd driver fixes from later kernels to the LTS version or whatever you want to run and rebuild the module.

    The issue is how the driver code is managed in the git repo. A linux microkernel would have the exact same problem.
    Right modules. Depending how hardened you run your kernel modules are not an option. Actually i run kernel without modules ans without initram and junk like that. Hey maybe microkernels do suck.

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  • loganj
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    Originally posted by avis View Post

    780m is rated 15W and it's super efficient at that:



    There's no way mobile rtx 4060 is even usable at this power budget. Nvidia allows to decrease TDP at most by 50%.
    what i've told you is what i see at the killa watt at the wall. its up to you to believe it or not. at 30fps limit 780M draws on average 10w more than 4060. i have to try it on linux to make sure that no swap was involved into it since i have only 16Gb ram. tested with shadow of the tomb raider highest settings.
    seems that nvidia in shadow of tr stays in 14-15w while in menus at most is under 30w. so i guess nvidia is doing greate. btw the resolution is 1920x1200 and no fsr or dlss whatever
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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by avis View Post

    You seem to be gravely mistaken when you use "support" in regard to wasteland.

    Only gnome and kde expose all the desktop features required to have a semblance of complete desktop experience.

    Everything else you've mentioned is not "support". They are maybe good for showing and moving application windows. This is nearly unusable for me.

    I need
    • Screen capture and casting.
    • A full featured graphical clipboard manager.
    • Global shortcuts.
    • Systray support.
    • Session management.
    • And a ton more.

    All of those features work on at least Enlightenment and LiquidShell, both of which I mentioned. (LiquidShell is based on KDE.)

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  • avis
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    Originally posted by loganj View Post

    i'm testing right now a laptop with 7840hs.
    ive tried to limit both igpu and dgpu to 30fps (i'm not a fun of shooters)
    780M draws too much power that i wonder why its even there when nvidia can draw less power for same fps.
    total power consumption from the wall 780M - 50-60w while nvidia 4060 (rated 140w) draws 40-55W. well its true that nvidia will draw more power in very crowded place while the 780M will start to drop the fps. so i guess nvidia still wins.
    i'm currios how much power (from the wall) draws a 7840U in games and even idle. btw it seems that windows draws less power than linux while not playing.
    780m is rated 15W and it's super efficient at that:



    There's no way mobile rtx 4060 is even usable at this power budget. Nvidia allows to decrease TDP at most by 50%.

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  • MorrisS.
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    …said no one ever, lol.
    Based on many recursive tests, Nvidia proprietary drivers are the best graphical solution on Linux Oses.

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  • avis
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    Ping. Enlightenment supports it, LiquidShell supports it, Liri supports it, Maui Shell supports it, several window managers support it, Cinnamon, Deepin and LXQt are working on it (though Deepin takes it more seriously at the moment and will release a non-experimental Wayland session next year), etc.
    You seem to be gravely mistaken when you use "support" in regard to wasteland.

    Only gnome and kde expose all the desktop features required to have a semblance of complete desktop experience.

    Everything else you've mentioned is not "support". They are maybe good for showing and moving application windows. This is nearly unusable for me.

    I need
    • Screen capture and casting.
    • A full featured graphical clipboard manager.
    • Global shortcuts.
    • Systray support.
    • Session management.
    • And a ton more.


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  • loganj
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    Originally posted by avis View Post

    What are you on? I've been on Radeon 780m for half a year already.
    i'm testing right now a laptop with 7840hs.
    ive tried to limit both igpu and dgpu to 30fps (i'm not a fun of shooters)
    780M draws too much power that i wonder why its even there when nvidia can draw less power for same fps.
    total power consumption from the wall 780M - 50-60w while nvidia 4060 (rated 140w) draws 40-55W. well its true that nvidia will draw more power in very crowded place while the 780M will start to drop the fps. so i guess nvidia still wins.
    i'm currios how much power (from the wall) draws a 7840U in games and even idle. btw it seems that windows draws less power than linux while not playing.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by MorrisS. View Post

    Actually, Nvidia proprietary drivers are the best for linux.... and they will be for Wayland too.
    …said no one ever, lol.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    I don't know if I'd call it plenty, but damn near every single multi-GPU benchmark done on Phoronix it seems like there are 1 or 2 games that don't work on AMD for whatever reason. As someone who has used AMD GPUs for the past decade, that's been my experience, too. Occasionally 1 or 2 games will just stop working until something is fixed. Something can be anything from the kernel to Mesa to Proton to DXVK to Steam preload cache to ???.

    You'll be playing a game, go to bed, start the game up the next day, and it'll just not launch or run.

    I'm saying "games" up there, but I really mean "Steam games". They just up and quit working for a few hours to a day. It's damn annoying. I've never actually had these problems outside of Steam/Proton that didn't involve me doing source-built DXVK and Proton updates using 1337 optimizations.
    Same experience here with Steam and AMD. And I'm only using stable hardware, kernels and drivers (though on openSUSE Tumbleweed).

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