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  • #41
    For me personally actually having working adaptive sync on a multi-monitor setup / mixed refresh rates is enough but I agree there are still quite a few issues that need to be resolved.

    That being said the transition was never not going to be painful and without a large install base issues outside the desktop environments will not be fixed. I am pretty sure Nvidia will have to make sure things work on their end when the userbase forces them to.

    While I don't think the time is quite there to transition now it is there soon.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by avis View Post

      "Dead" Xorg works perfectly on my three PCs. Modern Wayland works on none (I'm an XFCE user).

      "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - Xorg.

      Wayland support in XFCE has been progressing nicely but extremely slowly. While most features of the DE are now working, they are still missing Wayland XFWM. There's an experimental fork on github but it's hacked by a third party and there's been no talks about merging it with mainline.
      Well, if you're an xfce user, why do you mind Gnome-session loosing legacy code? Wayland works on NVIDIA as well using Gnome 🤷‍♂️

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Beherit View Post
        I was expecting the link to be to some lesser known OS, DE, distro and/or window manager. Not lenghty ramblings.
        It's an alternative to both X11 and Wayland. What's more radical than that?

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        • #44
          Originally posted by oleid View Post

          Well, if you're an xfce user, why do you mind Gnome-session loosing legacy code? Wayland works on NVIDIA as well using Gnome 🤷‍♂️
          Where did you notice that? I don't mind at all. Read my first comment in this discussion again.

          BTW, what does it mean "loosing legacy code"? Loosening? How does it work?

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          • #45
            Originally posted by avis View Post
            Wayland fans love to see NVIDIA users suffer.
            Or maybe we’d love to see Nvidia develop proper open source drivers within Mesa (like Intel’s and AMD’s)...

            Or at the very least, release proper documentation for their hardware, to make it easier for the community to develop drivers themselves. That one code drop a while back helped spur the creation of NVK (which looks very promising) - but proper documentation would make everything so much easier.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by dec05eba View Post

              Or nvidia users. Not everybody is rich enough to buy an amd graphics card to replace their existing nvidia graphics card. xwayland still has tons of graphical glitches with nvidia and even when using pure wayland on nvidia there are tons of software crashes. Nvidia has been making patches in xwayland and other parts but it hasn't been merged for over 1 year now.
              Poor Nshitia users, boo-hoo.... It is not like it has been known for over a decade that Nshitia doesn't properly support open source software, and that Intel and AMD both have good MESA drivers, they chose to buy their overpriced garbage and then we should stay in X11 forever because of their poor decisions?

              If X11 remained a 1st class citizen, Nshitia would NEVER support Wayland.... The only reason they do now, after so many years, is because they realized X11 is abandoned and they are going to be left behind.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by dec05eba View Post

                Or nvidia users. Not everybody is rich enough to buy an amd graphics card to replace their existing nvidia graphics card. xwayland still has tons of graphical glitches with nvidia and even when using pure wayland on nvidia there are tons of software crashes. Nvidia has been making patches in xwayland and other parts but it hasn't been merged for over 1 year now.
                This is the thing right here.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                  Anything that kills GNOME further would be good.
                  GNOME was completely dead to me (and a lot of others) since that horrible 3.0 version came out.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by mxan View Post

                    Or maybe we’d love to see Nvidia develop proper open source drivers within Mesa (like Intel’s and AMD’s)...

                    Or at the very least, release proper documentation for their hardware, to make it easier for the community to develop drivers themselves. That one code drop a while back helped spur the creation of NVK (which looks very promising) - but proper documentation would make everything so much easier.
                    AFAIK nouveau developers have said that the opengpu driver contains more than enough data to create a proper open source driver. The problem is that the opengpu driver supports only the last three generation of NVIDIA cards. Pascal and Maxwell continue to be quite popular and there's no reclocking firmware for them which means they are basically unusable.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by DanL View Post

                      GNOME was completely dead to me (and a lot of others) since that horrible 3.0 version came out.
                      Agree. Oh well, since we can't "support" Gnome 3 anyway, I say we should rip it out of the BSD ports collections and go back to Gnome 2. Then get some real polish going for the next decade.

                      The only risk is that home users would end up coming to i.e FreeBSD because of the superior desktop experience but honestly I would prefer that these projects don't cater to non-technical users. You get better output that way.
                      Last edited by kpedersen; 09 October 2023, 09:51 AM.

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