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  • reba
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    Software contains vulnarabilities and can be hacked?
    Nobody alive wants to fix 80,000 lines of sheer terror?
    I rather want to keep my mouse macros depending on non-isolation of ui applications, with a change being a tragedy for power users?

    Last edited by reba; 12 October 2023, 12:36 PM.

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  • mrg666
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    Originally posted by avis View Post

    Any sufficiently complex software contains vulnerabilities and can be hacked. It does not mean it's insecure.
    Any sufficiently complex software contains vulnerabilities and can be hacked. It does not mean it's insecure.
    Any sufficiently complex software contains vulnerabilities and can be hacked. It does not mean it's insecure.

    And lastly you cannot stop calling others idiots. This is the last time I've seen or replied to your messages.
    Yes, any software that has known vulnerabilities are inherently insecure, there is no other way to describe it other than "you".
    Some of those software are not feasible to fix due to reasons described below.
    Phoronix, Linux Hardware Reviews, Linux hardware benchmarks, Linux server benchmarks, Linux benchmarking, Desktop Linux, Linux performance, Open Source graphics, Linux How To, Ubuntu benchmarks, Ubuntu hardware, Phoronix Test Suite

    Here is just one quote from a real developer, who knows what he is talking about
    "GLX is a horrible demotivator! 80,000 lines of sheer terror." and "In the past couple of months I've found 120 bugs there, and I'm not close to done."

    You still didn't get it, right? Oh I forgot you were not responding (hopefully) anymore.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by kmansoft View Post

    Possibly related - when running under Wayland, apps like web browsers are unable to save / restore their window location / size. Not a deal breaker but really annoying and is a "this in 2023, really?" moment. Affects both Brave Browser and Firefox for me.
    Yes that's one of the problems stemming from it. There's many more: you can't have your own scripts to reposition windows as you want, nor query them at least (for auto hotkeys for example), which is a tragedy for power users.

    And there's many more examples in scientific apps, someone did make an issue about it, but it will never be accepted, or accepted in 2050: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...e_requests/247

    People who use their PCs as kiosks, toys or just for fullscreen gaming don't find an issue (but Wayland has many other issues with gaming, such as latency, albeit some of them are "fixed" now but it's still cringe how crippled it started by design).

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by qarium View Post
    in python when i use PyTorch it reports my ROCm Vega64 and AMD PRO W7900 as CUDA card.
    Ah, I was talking more about training/learning for models rather than just using them.

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  • avis
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    Originally posted by mrg666 View Post

    It is literally shown how to hack X11 and it is recommended by the distributions to disable GUI access on servers because of that. After all these, only and idiot gets hacked by running X11 and only an idiot still questions this. Choose which one are you. Oh, both ways lead to the same conclusion, my bad.
    You've literally failed to understand what I'm asking you.

    Any sufficiently complex software contains vulnerabilities and can be hacked. It does not mean it's insecure.
    Any sufficiently complex software contains vulnerabilities and can be hacked. It does not mean it's insecure.
    Any sufficiently complex software contains vulnerabilities and can be hacked. It does not mean it's insecure.

    Theoretical/purported X11 vulnerabilities are exactly that. If it really had been as bad as you intended to show it to be, multiple people would have been hacked daily. Yet you cannot provide a single fucking instance of a person/company having been hacked this way.

    Wayland with its architecture (the compositor running under your credentials) is ever more theoretically insecure. Any application running directly under your credentials can do whatever it pleases with the running process.

    And lastly you cannot stop calling others idiots. This is the last time I've seen or replied to your messages.

    I feel sorry for your wife and children. You probably insult them daily.
    Last edited by avis; 12 October 2023, 09:15 AM.

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  • mrg666
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    Originally posted by avis View Post

    So not a single effing actual real case. Thanks for confirming.

    I don't understand why you posted all these absolutely irrelevant links though. I asked for something specific and you completely failed.

    You could have left your insults elsewhere.
    It is literally shown how to hack X11 and it is recommended by the distributions to disable GUI access on servers because of that. After all these, only and idiot gets hacked by running X11 and only an idiot still questions this. Choose which one are you. Oh, both ways lead to the same conclusion, my bad.

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  • hwertz
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    Originally posted by Neuro-Chef View Post
    It may not be a problem for LTS Ubuntu users, but with kernel updates every few days in Fedora it just sucks to hope the Nvidia driver will work with it.

    Of course AMD was also bad until they started their mainlining efforts in ~2017. I watched it get better and better through the RX 560, 5500XT and 7600 cards.
    ....
    On PCIe slot powered GPUs: I'm afraid nowadays we shall choose board and CPU with integrated graphics support for that purpose. Without Nvidia one has simply one other choice: Intel Arc A380. It should have acceptable mainline driver support by now.
    Yeah I know that all too well, I'm running Ubuntu LTS now but I ran gentoo for a bit, I had like a Geforce 4MX back then (which kind of sucked since it was really a Geforce2-style GPU rebadged). It was always "fun" putting of updating the kernel or occasionally xorg because the nvidia drivers had not kept up.

    Yeah it's amazing how much the Mesa drivers improved in general the last 5 or so years -- AMD, Intel GPUs (even the older ones, it went from "most games etc. won't run on it" to "I wonder if the framerate will be good enough", they are still slow but the compliance improved dramatically.. and they actually got a healthy 20-30% speed bump a couple years ago.) I'd heartily recommend getting an AMD GPU -- I've had all 3, Nvidia GTX1650 in my desktop, I very recently had a notebook with Ryzen 3450U, and currently a Tigerlake notebook with Intel Xe. All run quite well but the Ryzen really ran surprisingly well especially given the fairly low power draw of the mobile one I had.

    Yeah, I got the GTX1650 since needless to say an Ivy Bridge integrated GPU is pretty sad; as I say it's surprising how many games it began being able to run with recent Mesa releases, Crocus is pretty amazing, but the framerate from this GPU needless to say isn't. If I were building from scratch, I'd make sure I had enough power for a GPU with additional power (if I wanted to add a card later), AND make sure the AMD motherboard had video outputs so I could put a Ryzen with GPU in it, they perform pretty nicely.

    Yes, indeed, I'm using a Mobile Intel Xe, given the performance of that much lower-end example of this GPU series, I'd expect the A380 would have quite acceptable performance.
    Last edited by hwertz; 12 October 2023, 02:04 AM.

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  • kmansoft
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    Originally posted by billyswong View Post

    Your keep on talking "latest mainline kernel" shows you are totally unaware that the actual officially supported AMD driver is supposed to be downloaded from AMD.com and use the distribution-provided kernel. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Radeon...re-Linux-23.20

    This is why I said one would need to wait a while for "best out-of-box" experience. The need to download driver manually does not fulfill the requirement of "out-of-box".
    I wanted to use that but they did not have a version which supported my non lts Ubuntu. I don't run lts, preferring more fresh software.

    Just imagine if on windows they only supported windows 10 but not 11.

    I did manage to bypass the distro check but then the driver failed to compile.

    I paid for their hardware, it's supposed to support Linux, I'm even running perhaps the most popular Linux distro of all - still it would not work.

    ​​​​​​Just how much was I supposed to endure for the money I paid, for the amd hardware?

    Oh and there was no indication that the freezes bug was not present in the amd pro driver anyway.

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  • billyswong
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    Originally posted by kmansoft View Post

    I tried Ubuntu and Fedora, are those not mainstream enough?

    I also tried running a third party kernel (xen I think) and also tried Ubuntu's latest mainline kernel - the bug was still there. So I had to sell my AMD and purchase NVIDIA, which worked flawlessly.

    And as I wrote above, the bug is still there today (or was, a few months ago, doubt anything's changed though).



    ​You mean as a Linux user I'm not worthy of using current generation hardware?
    Your keep on talking "latest mainline kernel" shows you are totally unaware that the actual officially supported AMD driver is supposed to be downloaded from AMD.com and use the distribution-provided kernel. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Radeon...re-Linux-23.20

    This is why I said one would need to wait a while for "best out-of-box" experience. The need to download driver manually does not fulfill the requirement of "out-of-box".

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  • qarium
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    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
    This is simple miss.
    Try to by a new system without a intel or AMD GPU you will notice you get to server/workstation CPU before that is the case. Like all AM5 cpus include APU. Same with all your current generation Intel CPUs containing igpu that are not workstation class. Yes AMD threadripper 7000.
    So the reality is most people will be able to use their computer even if the Nvidia GPU is 100 percent bricked if their system is relatively new.
    Its very important to get the AMD/Intel GPU drivers working because like it or not they have the biggest market share. With Nvidia mostly being a subset inside the AMD/Intel market share.
    Majority of distributions users not give distribution reason to bend knee to Nvidia because not having Nvidia support is not going to make users computer totally not usable. Same applies to Gnome/KDE and so on.
    yes i know. no one needs Nvidia for desktop linux usage.

    people in this forum report they use nvidia for cuda with AMD/INTEL iGPU for desktop use.

    so Nvidia is death outside of CUDA... and even this on my vega64 and AMD PRO W7900 PyTorch reports the ROCm/HIP stack as "CUDA"

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