GNOME Merge Requests Opened That Would Drop X.Org Session Support

[Sethox]

Look, the end-user has to know how the future will look like. They see the end product, while the developers scratches their asses and just do things last minute before release.

And all those developers criticizing X11 are just a bunch of haters, what do they know about maintaining code that is older than most zoomers (people born at year 2000). I must reject the notion of my setup being changed, it just works. I will never care how it works because security is not my concern, I just want things to work how it is. Damn those lazy developers for abandoning X11, the perfect and functionally window manager.

Don't tell anyone that a touch of sarcasm was used.

[mxan]

This would be a great loss to Gnome, not the Luddites. Why? Wayland is mostly Linux only while Xorg is FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD/etc.

FreeBSD already has full Wayland support, and OpenBSD is nearly there.

https://xenocara.org/Wayland_on_OpenBSD.html

[pracedru]

This would be a great loss to Gnome, not the Luddites. Why? Wayland is mostly Linux only while Xorg is FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD/etc.

Lastly, there's something solid behind Xorg and I tend to believe that one day people will get fed up with Wayland and introduce something saner, something more appropriate for the desktop. Xorg/X11 will most likely survive and outlive both Wayland and Gnome.

Wayland is supported on Linux, Windows, ChromeOS, FreeBSD and will likely also be supported on other BSD variants and Redox. Wayland might not be entirely ready right now, but hopefully once Gnome 46 is released the last issues will be fixed.

[Danny3]

Well there's a lot of wasted resources trying to fix X, which will be dropped anyway one day.
Better drop it sooner and start fixing and improving Wayland only instead!

As for people with Nvidia GPUs, you can always sell them and buy AMD GPUs if you are stuck with them from your Windows days.
As for people with Nvidia GPUs, that bought them knowing that Nvidia refuses to open documentation and code, you made your bed as you decided to condone the shitty attitude of Nvidia.
Go ask them to help you!
Maybe they will pity you as you have chosen to support them with your walled despite their attitude and obsession for control.

[skeevy420]

I bet that Brandon feller is behind all this.

Let's GNOME Brandon.

But if this lights a fire to get color management, HDR, remote screens, etc working on different Wayland desktops, cool. I like that KDE is doing the same thing. Besides, it's not like it isn't a package install away. One less package and 14.2KB freed should make all the minimalist people happy.

[cen1]

I am on Debian KDE Wayland + Firefox Wayland and no real issues so far. Full AMD system so everything works out of the box. If you bought Nvidia you should face the consequences of your (stupid) actions and cry me a river.

All the X zealots can go and volunteer as maintainers, leave the rest of us in the future. Sure, not everything is perfect but we are 98% there and it will only get better while X and all DEs who failed to switch (mostly due to low resources unfortunately) will die a slow and painful death.

[dragon321]

This would be a great loss to Gnome, not the Luddites. Why? Wayland is mostly Linux only while Xorg is FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD/etc.

Actually no, Wayland already works on FreeBSD. NetBSD also support it but as far I know it's limited support and OpenBSD also has some Wayland related work. A lot bigger issue for BSD is GNOME reliance on systemd that is completely Linux only but Wayland is not an issue.

Lastly, there's something solid behind Xorg and I tend to believe that one day people will get fed up with Wayland and introduce something saner, something more appropriate for the desktop. Xorg/X11 will most likely survive and outlive both Wayland and Gnome.

Wayland is already made for desktop and in more sane way than X11. More and more software are moving into Wayland and thinks about going Wayland only. So nope, people won't return to X11.

Wayland fans love to see NVIDIA users suffer.

Not more than NVIDIA itself by refusing to provide proper Wayland support. There is no reason why all Linux world should care about one company that refuses to play along with others.

[RejectModernity]

Let's GNOME Brandon.

It's joever for x11 grandpas
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[Istanbull]

Nice to see top GNU projects going the Microsoft way of restricting choices. I have been testing out Regolith Linux which is an i3 ubuntu distro, it's very comfy. I don't see myself using GNOME ever. KDE plasma is pretty good also.

[user1]

Many don't know this, but Gnome's x11 session was actually in worse condition than the Wayland session already in the last few versions. So I don't think it's really a huge loss. When the actual removal will happen in a future version, I bet Nvidia's Wayland support will improve even more. Instead of maintaining the x11 session, Gnome devs should allocate more resources into improving and fixing Gnome's XWayland support, because there have been some serious regressions in it since Gnome 44.