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  • #51
    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Well, there are changes in file formats, GUI changes, new features added, and things of that nature. Personally, I'd prefer a blend of SemVer and DateVer like 7.7-24.2. While that seems like a clusterfuck of numbers, it would make sense once people got used to Major Version.Minor Version-Year.Month. You could even tack on .Day.Hour for people that offer daily builds or do CI on every git commit.

    In one glance we'd be able to tell the major version, minor version, and the build date to know how up to date we are.
    Be careful that it doesn't get too long. IBM probably has a patent on long version identifiers ;-)


    • #52
      Originally posted by blackiwid View Post

      So you would not like to have some version control system at least optional is the settings and not be the software so incredible slow and taking 10 hours to start?
      1. I never use integrated version control. I just keep a copy of git gui open to swap to.
      2. I think Git integration (which is the only VCS I'd use) is about as plausible as Vim embedding. It's not a programmer's text editor and it's not a LaTeX IDE.
      As for "incredibly slow", I'm on a dual-core Athlon from 2011, chosen for not having a TDP above 65W, and it takes maybe nine seconds if a copy isn't already running in the background to spawn a new window.

      That's hardly the end of the world. Inkscape, GIMP, and Arduino IDE all take almost exactly the same amount of time to fire up on my system, and a FocusWriter or a browser with a fresh profile takes at least half that.

      When you combine the time from launch to project browser and project browser to ready, Godot takes a couple of seconds longer and Blender takes twice that long just to get it its welcome screen.

      Heck, my huge Firefox session full of saved tabs takes a minute or more to load when I have to kill Firefox to flush out whatever memory bloat some of my extensions accumulate, and even a stock Tor Browser takes 25 seconds plus to form a connection and become usable.​

      Granted, I have this thing maxed out to 32GiB of RAM, which might affect things a but, but I think the point still stands.
      Last edited by ssokolow; 23 August 2023, 01:34 PM.


      • #53
        TLDR - Wahhh datever number too big brain no worky


        • #54
          Originally posted by zerothruster View Post

          Why on earth would you want version control in the application ? If you want to use version control, create and save the document, commit it to your version control system.
          Maybe because it's automatic and I don't have to start a terminal and usually office users are no programmers or admins that are capable to use git, also a odf file is basically a zip so you could have even a version system where you could cherry pick chucks of text not only binary...

          Also of course the 10 hours was polemic, isn't that obvious? It's starts slower than firefox and that is not a slim software either, it's not very responsible ugly and alien to linux no gtk interface etc.


          • #55
            Whatever they call it or version it, it's still open office 3.3...


            • #56
              For our releases i switched to a "both" approach.
              Major Version is the date it released (with day because sometimes we have more than one release in a month)
              Minor Version is the old semantic versioning for those interested in more than just has a new one come out since the last time they did a manual update.


              • #57
                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                I don't think this software is mature at all, I would more call it maybe dated or legacy.
                The only goal seems to be similar to MS Word but slightly worse but never better in anything (except cost).

                So no real linux user will use it, people that switched to linux to have a cost free windows more or less 1:1 replacement and work in some office will use it, but that's about it.

                Why would I ever use such a horrible laggy slow ram murdering software if I not absolutely have to? I mean linux users are to some degree mostly developers, for them this crap software is either no option or torture.

                No automatic version control not even optional where it puts the odf in some sort of git repository. You could even extract the zip file and have the xml files and stuff in git then you could even see differences and stuff, but even a purely binary version system would be better than the nothingness we have now.
                This whole post just proves a) you are not the target user b) you never even honestly tried to use it.
                So why pour venom if you won't use it anyways? Just ignore it and live your life.


                • #58
                  Originally posted by zexelon View Post

                  Ever try to use macros or anything advanced in LO?

                  I have wanted to use LO really badly and committed to it several times in my life... only to return head down to Excel and Word. It just failed badly and quickly for anything beyond very basic work.

                  I have used LO to edit PDF documents on occasion but for the last many years moved over to using inkscape or gimp (depended on the end use case) as they are just better.
                  Not the guy you replied to, but my two cents... Never really used Calc, and Impress is the one Libreoffice part that drives me crazy because beyond the immediate UX problems it's simply unreliable and crash-prone when you start getting more than 60 slides...

                  But Writer I've used moderately extensively, if I may that weird expression, and always was satisfied with it. That said I did *not* try to design some heavily aesthetical document like a print cover or magazine page, for those, Scribus or possibly as you say Inkscape are probably much more productive past the initial learning time.


                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Citan View Post

                    This whole post just proves a) you are not the target user b) you never even honestly tried to use it.
                    So why pour venom if you won't use it anyways? Just ignore it and live your life.
                    Well I have to use it seldom and I just wish it would be not just a bad MS Office clone, even MS Office is faster.

                    I am not sure how it's under linux but libreoffice has a prestarter in windows so it takes not forever to start, if it would have a fast start it would not need such starter thing, firefox doesn't have that nor Gimp.

                    Even opening a empty document in Writer (the hole process) takes 5 times as much ram than even Openoffice. I mean we had discussions in the past that emacs had the nickname Eight Mb And Constantly Swapping or something alike sure that is far in the past, but it was 8mb. Now you could argue but with big settings file it takes also long to load, but it's more a OS than a Editor then, email client, Jabber, telegram, pdf reader, whatever you want, and if you want it to start fast you can make it start faster than libreoffice.

                    I am no expert and it seems MS Office also still has a Menu Bar but it's a much more simplified with one Button called Insert

                    And it seems to be not drop down menus, and that is a nearly 10 year old version, back then it even had in the title bar a save icon and stuff, we would need hamburger menu in modern UIs, it basically still looks like star office more or less.

                    And I just read that they added python support, now personally I am a python hater but it's still 1000 times better than the java garbage that you might be able to use in libreoffice somehow.

                    It's embarasing when you have to say, what is the only advantage of libreoffice compared to MS Office, because it's cost free. So it's the poor people bad MS Office version, gotcha...

                    It would be no problem to have some disadvantages compared to MS Office but also some advantages outside the price. Also what is that for a stupid argument, many long threads shit on gnome for peoples feel about their shortcomings, now should they all not be allowed to comment on it because "they are not gnomes target audience"?

                    Even Thunderbird get's now with a much smaller team some UI changes.
                    They also had the old file menu that is outdated:

                    But they got rid of it:

                    GUI Standards chance LO didn't get the memo.

                    Now sure Gimp also still has this old File menu bar BS, but it's a software for Artists while Office is needed by basically everybody. Writing a letter is a much more common task than Editing Photos, and just because maybe Gimps Menu system could also be modernized doesn't excuse LO from sucking, too.

                    And at least Photoshop still has the same thing, except it's file menu is in the title bar, so even they lack behind in modern UI. Also I would argue that the Gimp development team is a much smaller one than Libreoffice and I remember several Donating campaigns for libreoffice but not for gimp.

                    According to their website 324 People contributed Code EVER to Libreoffice so maybe if I am generous at the current version 50-100 people commit code. It's hard to get the exact number of commiters for libreoffice because the list is strangely formated but it's probably at least in the low thousend.

                    So yes I expect more.


                    • #60
                      Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                      Even Thunderbird get's now with a much smaller team some UI changes.
                      They also had the old file menu that is outdated:

                      But they got rid of it:

                      GUI Standards chance LO didn't get the memo.
                      Yeah. As of Thunderbird 115, I needed userChrome.css hacks to revert some of the buggy nonsense like the menubar appearing below the titlebar if you turn it back on.

                      It was particularly annoying that you can toggle every toolbar and the menu bar with a right-click... except that "25% redundant, 75% empty" unified toolbar (the one with the hamburger menu that's pointless if you've re-enabled the full menubar), which has to be removed using a userChrome.css hack.

                      It's also noticeably more sluggish in responding to things like rendering the new view when I click a different folder or e-mail and I still haven't figured out how to restore things like grouping the inboxes at the top of the flat-list unread messages view.

                      If LO went Ribbon without a way to turn it off, I'd look into using something else like AbiWord and perform file format conversion using LO's CLI API.​