Mozilla Firefox 116 Now Available - Capable Of Wayland-Only Builds

[murraytony]

Mozilla Firefox 116 Now Available - Capable Of X11-Only Builds - NAW

Mozilla Firefox 116 Now Available - Capable Of Wayland-Only Builds - Hehe, engagement go BRRR...

[RejectModernity]

Death of X11, YAY

[oldtimefighter]

Your new extra super special "freedom" option is that you don't get even the possibility to use the display server you've been using for the past 39 years? And that if you are on older hardware you are pretty much crap out of luck unless you buy a new computer? I think avis may have a good point. And what about window manager users like myself on DWM? We should just shove off and die already I guess?

What are you going on about? Firefox with X11 is NOT going no where any time soon and one can have X11 only builds of Firefox just the same.

[oiaohm]

That's an option to create a non-portable Firefox build. How's that "freedom"? What if the user suddenly has an urge to run Xorg? Get wrecked? No Firefox for you?

So you did not know the answer to this but you posted anyhow avis. The answer is not you have incorrect presumed.

Gamescope and Weston both run on X11. That right Wayland compositors can run on top of X11 just like how X11 as Xwayland runs on top of Wayland. There was a project out there to make a Wayland for X11 like Xwayland but in reverse but I forget the name.

The reality Wayland only applications like it or not are going to appear. If there is enough parties wanting to say on x11 they will need invest developer time in making equal to Xwayland in reverse the reality with Weston and gamescope it over halfway done. Yes it the seamless bit that need to be done that not done so that the wayland compositor under X11 can start on demand..

One of the reasons commerical OSes are successful is because they do everything possible to preserve backward compatibility

Here we go again. Other foolish statement and horrible incorrect statement. What Wayland is happens to line up with the hell Microsoft caused with Windows Vista. The introduction of the composited desktop under Windows caused Microsoft to refactor lots of different things that broke lots of different applications.

Microsoft Windows does not have as much ABI stablity as one presume. There is a stack of shims and hacks why old applications work. Yes it true that Microsoft puts a lot of effort into backwards compability but that is not keeping old legacy API alive for all new applications to use. Instead Microsoft creates a lot of stuff like sdl12-compat that takes old application API usage and makes them use new ABI. So the way Microsoft does things new applications dropping support for old ABI is normal and this is party how Microsoft forces users to buy new versions of Windows..

So yes firefox dropping complete X11 support would be the same as how Firefox dropped the code it had on Windows to run on windows XP.

[rmfx]

Any news regarding the "oxydation" of firefox?
Seems like it's not going very fast.
Rust is still a very minor part of the sourcecode.

[dkasak]

How's limiting freedom become "interesting"?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

I get the feeling that *someone* is limiting your freedom. I'm just not convinced it's the new possibility to build Firefox for Wayland only. RUOK?

[oiaohm]

Any news regarding the "oxydation" of firefox?
Seems like it's not going very fast.
Rust is still a very minor part of the sourcecode.

https://4e6.github.io/firefox-lang-stats/

The answer is 9.5% of firefox source code is rust currently and only 52.1% of firefox source code is for producing directly executable binary code.

So I would not say Minor part of the source code but growth rate of rust vs c and c++ has slowed but there is still growth in the rust direction over c and c++.

[andyprough]

What are you going on about? Firefox with X11 is NOT going no where any time soon and one can have X11 only builds of Firefox just the same.

Yes, until the major distros choose not to package it for X11, like how their agreement on "init system choice" turned out to mean "you won't hardly be able to boot up a modern GNU/Linux distro without devoting at least 1-2GB of ram to systemd and its many tentacles" and "oh by the way, we're making systemd a hard dependency for some of the packages you've been using". These "freedom of choice" decisions that exclude the choices people have already been making for decades always turn out so beneficially for all.

[Monsterovich]

Death of X11, YAY

X11 will only die if it's replaced by X12, not Wayland.

[Myownfriend]

X11 will only die if it's replaced by X12, not Wayland.

Why is that? lol