Apache OpenOffice 4.1.14 Brings A Handful Of Bug Fixes

[oibaf]

https://www.change.org/p/the-apache-software-foundation-asf-apache-foundation-please-stop-promoting-openoffice-rather-redirect-users-to-libreoffice

[Nth_man]

Admittedly I never tried to change the icon theme. I kind of expect some sane defaults and a good out-of-the-box experience.

Mmm, only changing one or two options should be needed (without changing icons, for example).

1 - Using the latest Kubuntu (22.10), still with LibreOffice 7.4:
1 - default in Kubuntu.png

2 - after changing the system theme there:
2 - after changing the system theme there.png

3 - before using LibreOffice Dark:
3 - after changing the system theme.png

4 - After changing the application colors (Tools > Options > Libreoffice > Application Colors) to LibreOffice Dark:
4 - LibreOffice Dark.png

acobar , sveld , andyprough

[oiaohm]

Actually the income differences are getting bigger every day in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if many are still relying on those old 1980s computers because even the electricity is too expensive to run modern computers. See https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...ity-in-somalia

Yes OG C64 main unit without drive draws more power than Raspberry pi 4 with 8G of ram with a USB drive, keyboard and mouse in and connected to wifi. Modern fpga implementation of C64 that is competitive on power usage to Raspberry pi4 is way more expensive than even price gouging Raspberry pi4 prices.

1980s computers are not that power effective.

Now of course if you are in one of those problem areas for electricity the answer is most likely going to be mobile phone quite commonly a feature phone not a smart phone. Yes a feature phone can run a mobile web browser horribly. This is your lowerest power consuming computing option.

Please note I was not putting the C64 up against something you would call modern and close to hardware feature equal.

https://geoffg.net/picomitevga.html

Yes there is a wifi version of the raspberry pi pico. Yes with a C64 emulator a raspberry pi pico can run 99% of all C64 applications and while doing so use less electricity.

There is no advantage to the 1980s hardware other than possible access.
1) skills you will need to maintain a 1980s C64 is the same set of skills you need to build a picomite using raspberry pi pico from parts.
2) The more dependable computer will be the picomite over the 1980s 8-bit computers due to being built from new parts.
3) Less power using computer picomite again over any 8-bit 1980s computer.
4) Easier to connect to modern hardware that uses less power again picomite(like LCD monitors) over any 1980s 8-bit computer.
5) Getting new quality spare parts again picomite over any 8-bit comptuer 1980s.
6) Application compatibility picomite again wins over any 8-bit computer from the 1980s.

Cost of a 1 or 2 parts second hand replacement parts for a 1980s 8-bit computer will cost you more than the total parts kit to make the picomite without screen. Yes SD card, keyboard, raspberry pi pico W, PCB and all the different parts. Yes to keep a 1980s 8-bit computer you will need access to someone who can solder things way more often.

Picomite is a very limited function modern computer. The spectrum of a modern computer is larger than most would think. The bottom of barrel in feature modern computers are a lot more power effective and capable than the 1980s stuff. Retro hardware to keep it working need quite deep pockets and need you not to be caring that much about power usage.

Having to build monitoring systems to be placed out around properties taught me how stupid it was for power usage to look at 1980s hardware because that stuff is not that power effective.

Raspberry pi foundation is about getting parts out there that are new for parties with very limited power and very limited budget. A replacement C64 CPU that can be over 100USD for one certified to work even in country like somalia because the chips are getting rare so rare that we have a modern clone replacement in the MCL64 that just under 50 USD. 1 chip dies in a C64 and it nothing strange for the cost if that replacement to be more than complete picomite setup. C64 are one of the cheapest 1980s 8-bit computers to fix. Few parts need replacement you are up to the cost of a raspberry pi4 setup or a new x86 computer really quickly.

Yes this is what happens when you take off the rose color glasses in this area. Old retro computers are absolutely not cheap to keep and using daily. They serous-ally in some countries the cost of keeping a 1980s 8-bit computer running per year is higher than the person total year income x5. Yes picomite or rasberypi3/4 might be years+wages in upfront cost but these are good for 10 years after the upfront cost so some what affordable compared to the unobtainable costs of retro 8-bit computers. Not even good to give them the 1980 8-bit computer for free because the on going costs will not be payable.

[Sonadow]

"FOSS is the best software development approach ever to grace the earth since sliced bread because people have the right to fork any project they want and develop it independently. Until it's a project that we so collectively hate because it holds the more popular trademark, so we are going to smear and bully it until we successfully force their project to cease for good so that we get the right to seize their trademark, because we cannot come up with a better name and trademark to capture people's attention. How dare they not give it to us!"

Sounds about right.

[caligula]

C-64 are a special case. People keep them running today but a lot of parts have been replaced this is made more possible by their motherboard been simple double layer so take re-soldering of parts better than the modern multi layer boards.

Actually the income differences are getting bigger every day in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if many are still relying on those old 1980s computers because even the electricity is too expensive to run modern computers. See https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...ity-in-somalia

[schmidtbag]

Open Office is basically the more popular brand. People with shiny new 24-core workstations and 128 gigs of RAM try this first, then complain how OO is at least 50 years behind competition.

Precisely my point, and why the existence of OpenOffice hurts more than helps.

[Estranged1906]

One advantage of OpenOffice over LibreOffice is that it still runs on ArcaOS (OS/2)

[oiaohm]

Open Office is basically the more popular brand. People with shiny new 24-core workstations and 128 gigs of RAM try this first, then complain how OO is at least 50 years behind competition.

Not quite.

Not everyone is rich. Those people used to use BBC Micro or C-64 (1982) when we had Athlon XP (2002). Now in 2023 they still use Athlon XPs or even older gear like Pentium MMX when you and me have Ryzen 7950X3D. Those older systems are still perfectly functional. I bet they could fly the mankind to moon.

C-64 are a special case. People keep them running today but a lot of parts have been replaced this is made more possible by their motherboard been simple double layer so take re-soldering of parts better than the modern multi layer boards.

Lot of the 32 bit x86 systems don't work any more. Capacitor failure and other things. Like it or not electronic parts are consumable and only last so long..

Pentium MMX in working condition today is rare. More likely is a x86-64 with motherboard max memory limit of 4G. Still getting rare would be x86-64 with 764 megs of memory limit.

The reason why libreoffice stopped making x86 32 bit linux binaries was lack of demand and that lack of demand makes sense. If you are a person who need 32 bit x86 because you have working hardware that only operates that way you are on rare hardware that by age about to die without parts replacements(that end up costing more than new machine) or is something really expensive fpga that too slow to run modern openoffice or libreoffice.

Ram usage complain yes is valid. 32 bit Linux support is no.

Those keeping C64 running for daily use you have to put quite amount of expense in. Its cheaper to get new entry to mid range computer ever 5 years than it is to keep genuine C64 running that lot less complex of a system than a 32 bit x86 system being lot less complex lot less parts to fail.

x86 32 bit has fairly much now too old of hardware that most of it is now junk.

[kpedersen]

Not everyone is rich. Those people used to use BBC Micro or C-64 (1982) when we had Athlon XP (2002). Now in 2023 they still use Athlon XPs or even older gear like Pentium MMX when you and me have Ryzen 7950X3D.

No, we still use C-64s quite a bit, even in 2023. Turns out I have probably spent more on maintaining my old machine than you have on your Ryzen. Being financially comfortable is exactly what allowed me to escape the treadmill rat race and use what I prefer.

Regardless, the truth is that OpenOffice will outlive LibreOffice. If you don't believe me... bookmark this page and when it happens, I will explain how I knew. Hint; foresight is what allows me to be financially comfortable.

[caligula]

Honestly it is actually causing a problem - OpenOffice is basically just an outdated and poorly maintained version of LibreOffice, yet, there's shockingly a lot of people who continue to use OpenOffice. It also implies there are developers who could potentially be improving LO but aren't.

Open Office is basically the more popular brand. People with shiny new 24-core workstations and 128 gigs of RAM try this first, then complain how OO is at least 50 years behind competition.

32-bit machines should have long since been recycled, especially the very slow but very high power usage Intel P4 systems.

Not everyone is rich. Those people used to use BBC Micro or C-64 (1982) when we had Athlon XP (2002). Now in 2023 they still use Athlon XPs or even older gear like Pentium MMX when you and me have Ryzen 7950X3D. Those older systems are still perfectly functional. I bet they could fly the mankind to moon.