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System76 Adding XWayland Support & Other Improvements To Its COSMIC DE
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Originally posted by user1 View PostSorry if I'm being blunt, but from that screenshot it doesn't seem any different from the ui principles that Gnome already uses (CSD's hamburger menus, etc). So I don't understand what was their problem with Gnome in the first place?
If Cosmic or that new toolkit they're developing doesn't offer anything new or extraordinary that other desktops/toolkits don't already offer, then I don't understand the point of this whole endeavour and I think it just adds to the Linux desktop fragmentation.
(Speaking of stopthemingmy.app, if I didn't already feel it was too much work to hammer the Bottles UI into a shape I like, its developers signing that open letter certainly would make me look elsewhere for the functionality I need. I'm glad they offer an easy to use Don't Use This App Please Don't Theme badge though. It's a great hint that the app probably uses libadwaita.)Last edited by ssokolow; 31 January 2023, 09:08 PM.
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Originally posted by rmfx View PostWhy people feel like arguing for/against gnome vs cosmic..?
Let both side do their stuff and let's see in the long term who was right...
And I'm someone who would love a unique gnu/linux os so don't try to convince me about how joining force is better than fork.. it's just that these forum wars are useless.
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Why are these people wasting so much time and money? Tying a UX experience to hardware in a FOSS business model makes no sense, unless you're microsoft or apple. Just focus on decent hardware which we don't have yet! Each of us wants different UX anyway; I wouldn't use theirs as I use tiling WMs. Their hardware doesn't even beat a modern Thinkpad, so I'm going with a modern Thinkpad for Linux until then. They should just join teams with frame.work and pool their money and fix a few basic things: suspend to ram that is 10x less energy efficient than apple instead of 100x less. Or just matching the next T14 that will have RDNA3 and USB4 in March-ish this year, which is way better overall than any frame.work or system76 will be. Or give some money to Project X so we can understand how far off we are from a corebooted Ryzen!
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Originally posted by sarmad View Post
Personally, what I have against Cosmic isn't Cosmic itself, nor is it against creating yet another DE, it's more about spending resources of a small hardware company on writing a piece of software we already have plenty of alternatives for. System76 is a hardware company and they should focus on the core of their business before spreading into other areas. They still don't offer any laptop with an AMD dGPU, they still don't offer laptops with 1st class build quality, there are other areas in the stack they can help building like HDR, Prime optimizations, screen-to-gpu multiplexer, fractional scaling, etc. I used to be a loyal System76 user before switching to MSI; I just couldn't resist the far better build quality.
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Originally posted by piotrj3 View PostI wouldn't be suprised if long term it would be one of the most stable DEs around. You have commercial support, and you have it written in language pretty much (in practical meaning) preventing all memory issues and a lot of logic ones. Because it is modern it doesn't have to carry a lot of old garbage, and system76 is company aimed at average users not at server space like Red hat.
Iced toolkit also supports Vulkan rendering what is nice.
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Originally posted by ssokolow View Post(Speaking of stopthemingmy.app, if I didn't already feel it was too much work to hammer the Bottles UI into a shape I like, its developers signing that open letter certainly would make me look elsewhere for the functionality I need. I'm glad they offer an easy to use Don't Use This App Please Don't Theme badge though. It's a great hint that the app probably uses libadwaita.)
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Originally posted by piotrj3 View PostI wouldn't be suprised if long term it would be one of the most stable DEs around. You have commercial support, and you have it written in language pretty much (in practical meaning) preventing all memory issues and a lot of logic ones. Because it is modern it doesn't have to carry a lot of old garbage, and system76 is company aimed at average users not at server space like Red hat.
Iced toolkit also supports Vulkan rendering what is nice.
And thanks to GSK, which is available with GTK4, you can choose from a variety of rendering backends: OpenGL, some strange other OpenGL implementation, Cairo, llvmpipe and Vulkan.
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Originally posted by make_adobe_on_Linux! View Post
My DE is more stable. Decade old tiling WMs that have never crashed for me and are way lighter than theirs. Why don't they focus on decent hardware since we don't have any yet? Because adults have become inflantalized and would rather get paid to play with their crayons (as another commenter put it) than solve the issues we need solved.
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Originally posted by Leprechaunius View PostI couldn't care less about their own DE. Why won't they fix the major issues? First add SecureBoot support to PopOS, then go play with your crayons...
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