Red Hat Planning A Hackfest To Further Advance HDR Support On The Linux Desktop

[ssokolow]

Maybe it also depends on the workflow of the users. But Gnome really shines when you have a multimonitor setup and autotiling. At work I'm using 3 Monitors and multiple workspaces. I don't know how KDE would deal with it. For me it feels like I have inifinite space. Only limitation is my memory ...If I have too much workspaces I tend to loose track of the open windows.

I have three monitors. I use KDE. Granted, I also maintain QuickTile (for some value of maintain, given the mess my life has been in the last few years), but it says a lot that I'd rather exploit X11's architecture to monkey-patch extra functionality into the window manager in a WM-agnostic way than use GNOME.

When KDE 4.x made KDE on *buntu untenable for a while, I used LXDE with a smattering of KDE apps like Filelight (Baobab added radial graph mode later to become a crappy clone of it) and K3b... and yes, I did try GNOME 2.x. It was similar enough to KDE 3.5.x that, as a relatively recent Linux immigrant, I was puzzled what the difference was beyond a different selection of themes... as someone who just came from Windows XP running Litestep, I preferred KDE's selection and defaults.

[ehansin]

The future is a dystopia. I understand GNOME success, in the same vein as nazis and alt-right success too.

Okay, so I left person's name/handle off of this quote, because not going to "dog" the poster, more going to use this statement to express my thoughts on an alternative take. As an analogy, in politics (here in the "good ol' USA" at least) we have people that have been manipulated (in my opinion) to extremes, and I think they all suck. No solutions, just dogma. Stuck on slogans, don't have anything to offer in regards to *effective* solutions. So here I go on the Linux desktop...

I don't care right now about the surface realities. I want to see the underlying core keep evolving. If the framing and electrical and plumbing are solid, in the future one can change around the furniture all they want, redesign their living spaces, etc. to give a different feel. But that core is solid regardless, you know, that stuff that resides behind the walls.

If these pieces that make up this solid core are composable, interchangeable, or whatever, they can evolve and better solutions that come along can be swapped out. And they can be used to create the core for what ever UI/UX desktop someone comes up with. I have been using Gnome some lately because I did a default F37 workstation install. It does feel a lot more polished than last time I used it, but that doesn't mean it is the best. I have also installed Sway (and Hikari and River for that matter) to have a more minimalist option. I could care less about the Gnome vs. KDE thing, I want to see the core, again that stuff behind the walls, keep getting more and more solid. And then, whatever layer gets slapped on top of that, leave that to end-user choice. There is going be also be innovation (more option) for the "outer layer" UI/UX stuff. So that is where I am at.


* Added just to clarify: By core I mean things like audio (or A/V) subsystems, network management (at least the core pieces), printing subsystems, PID 1 (yes, the init system), the graphical layer (what underlies the UI itself, not what the end user sees), and of course even the kernel. And others, but hopefully I am expressing myself well enough here. I want to see a solid core that can then have "end user experiences" build upon. As I mentioned originally, personal computing is not going to go away, and I'd like to see options where one's freedoms of choice, privacy, not being captured by financial incentives, etc. are respected. Apple, Google, and Microsoft are not going to be the ones to deliver.

* I will also add, I am not defending any particular "core" component that may be the de-facto implementation used today, I'm just expressing thoughts on the general concept. I expect core pieces to evolve and change, just as I expect changes and "innovations" (one person's innovation can be another person's bane) to happen at the UI/UX level.

[eagleoneraptor]

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-40.html

Wait wait wait... you are still complaining of GNOME not having maximize and minimize buttons?

All the anti-GNOME people are this stupid?

[Weasel]

Yea, for once its not a Windows 95 based shell. How horrible.

He did say anti-desktop. And since desktop means Windows 95 based shell, it's totally true.

Using mobile bullshit designs for the desktop is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Eat their shit some more.

[mdedetrich]

The plugin situation is where we lose random plugins every 6 months sucks when GNOME updates, then you wait two or three months, most of the plugins get updated, you get your desktop set back up as close as you could before the update, and a month or three later you take another GNOME update, lose all your plugins, and the process repeats itself. IMHO, GNOME needs a yearly LTS release...or more features so it doesn't have to rely on plugins that break twice a year. If you use plugins with GNOME, you only have a fully featured working desktop for 2/3 a year. That has always been my experience and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Yeah this kind of crap is not acceptable in 2023 and I have no idea why no one from Redhat and/or GNOME has taken this problem seriously. Such a desktop will never be successful if plugins constantly break when a new version of GNOME is released.

[vancha]

This is great, hopefully my linux based gaming pc will soon be able to make use of the same features it would have if it was running windows. I don't have an hdr compatible monitor yet, but now at least i have a reason to get one ^^

[timofonic]

The future is GNOME, and I really doubt that's arguable. When I think of GNOME, I think of Red Hat and Canonical, two of the top Linux distribution providers, who also both ship GNOME first-class. KDE has no such backing, with maybe the slimmest exception being from openSUSE. Every other distro providing KDE is niche or a spin of a mainstream distro using GNOME.

When I was distro-hopping, GNOME was the only DE that was consistent across a 4K display and 2-in-1 tablet I had at the time. KDE was bad with HiDPI, and Plasma 5 didn't even have an on-screen keyboard. Nobody is using Wayland with KDE in a confident manner, and yet it's usable-enough for all the mainstream GNOME distros to be shipping it enabled out-the-box.

Instead of complaining about the situation, maybe go figure out why nobody ships it, and improve KDE to make it as-flexible and feature-complete as GNOME. And if anyone thinks any other DE or WM should be presented instead of KDE, lol.

The future is a dystopia. I understand GNOME success, in the same vein as nazis and alt-right success too.

GNOME isn't flexible at all, on the contrary. Extensions are faulty and limited. KDE provides too many interesting features GNOME doesn't. Other DE/WM has some nice stuff others doesn't too, even very niche ones.

Nothing is perfect. GNOME success isn't about features but strong lobby interests.

GNOME has some nice features, but the disadvantages surpasses them.

This is a forum, people complain here. I consider KDE needs a lot more resources.

Other WM/DE need a lot more resources too. Those projects should do more code sharing by initiatives such as wlroots instead reinventing the wheel all the time. I consider KDE not using wlroots to be a very stupid decision, for example.

[Volta]

That's some "Year of the Linux Desktop" vibes

Or "Linux gaming console". Dreams become true.

[skeevy420]

Imagine being Gnome 2.x, imagine having momentum to become the almost de-facto desktop standard across the most popular Linux distributions, you decide to embark on a quixotic quest to conquer touch screens throwing away most of what people liked about your DE. Throwing away years of work, mind share, market share, and community will. Along comes a company (Valve) wanting to build a touch friendly device with mass appealing (Steam Deck) and what does Valve do, they evaluate you for like 5 mins, decide your DE is garbage, decide they can't work with you (because you refuse to listen to anybody) and choose your arch-rival KDE which doesn't even focus on touch screens that much for their mass-appealing critically acclaimed product. The shame, the miserable failure. (Sadly I can use proper expletives here so those will have to do)

That is the Gnome experience.

Why the fuck not?

[Monsterovich]

The difference and why everybody uses systemd is that systemd works well for the most part. I know this comes as a surprise but the most important aspect of software is whether it works well or not for the intended purpose. Systemd might not be ideal, it might not even be the best solution, but it works sufficiently well and I find it reliable.

There are whole anti-systemd sites.

https://nosystemd.org/

https://without-systemd.org/

I don't understand why the systemd is so bad, either. Maybe the haters can explain?