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  • #31
    Originally posted by Artim View Post

    Well, everyone running sid add their main OS by definition is simply insane. But nobody stops you to either install from the LibreOffice website or just run the more stable still version. Plus, nobody running Debian is expecting the newest version of anything in the repos. That's what Ubuntu (or better yet, Ubuntu based distributions like Mint and Pop, that get rid of pretty much everything that's wrong with Ubuntu) is made for. Or if it doesn't has to be Debian based, Arch and Fedora... But that brings us back to litterally being insane and simply masochistic.
    Wow !
    Free feel to be insane and masochist; I am only more productive with sid: is quite stable and fun ! And no, I don't want to waste my time in a website to download a program (or waiting it to start with its own os); I prefer doing an "apt upgrade" (or the dnf equivalent for what matters).

    Have fun
    BR

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    • #32
      Originally posted by kreijack View Post

      Wow !
      Free feel to be insane and masochist; I am only more productive with sid: is quite stable and fun ! And no, I don't want to waste my time in a website to download a program (or waiting it to start with its own os); I prefer doing an "apt upgrade" (or the dnf equivalent for what matters).

      Have fun
      BR
      First of all, I obviously would never recommend an OS as technically outdated as Windows. But other than that, no I can not believe running sid can be productive in any way. I ran Debian testing for long enough (actually for all the time Bullseye was in testing since stable refused to show a GUI) that I know that can just be a bug ridden experience. And sid is way more unstable than tesing. Heck, it's named after the kid in the movies that destroys all the toys for a reason. Ubuntu can only be based on unstable since they simply freeze that branch every 6 month and spend weeks fixing bugs so it's actually useable. And sid is even more experimental than that. So thanks, but no thanks. I'm not willing to spend 80 % of my day figuring out what's now broken.

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      • #33
        Great to see this project to go from strength to strength.

        Last time I checked (about v 6 iirc) there was a showstopper bug with random numbers inside multiple operations (always the same value), anyone know if this has been fixed? And if not where I should report it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

          Updating programs is a bit distracting on Windows. You fire it up to do some office work and it prompts you to update. If I don't update it right then, there's a 50/50 chance I'll forget to update whenever I'm done working. Between the download and install it takes around 10 minutes.

          And it has one of those installers that prompts for a reboot if I leave Firefox running....Jeez those kinds of installers are annoying.

          I'm spoiled by Linux package management
          There is an official Microsoft package manager for Windows 10 and Windows 11.

          Its name is Winget.

          It is preinstalled in Windows 11, and is available for Windows 10 in Microsoft Store:

          Code:
          ms-appinstaller:?source=https://aka.ms/getwinget

          Other relevant sites:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Package_Manager

          https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli


          Some of its options:
          Code:
          winget list, displays the installed programs.
          
          winget search, searches the Winget repository, and Microsoft Store.
          
          winget upgrade, displays for which applications there are upgrades.
          
          winget upgrade --all, installs all application upgrades.

          When you run it, use a normal Windows Terminal, and not a privileged one (Administrator).

          If a package needs Administrator access to be installed, you will get a UAC prompt automatically.


          I am providing links to some screenshots from my PC (with WSL2 terminal, you can use any Windows Terminal you like, like Command Prompt or Windows PowerShell).

          winget list example: https://ibb.co/gt793s5

          winget search examples: https://ibb.co/MNQ5zn8
          Last edited by johnp; 05 February 2022, 10:35 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by johnp View Post

            There is an official Microsoft package manager for Windows 10 and Windows 11.

            Its name is Winget.

            It is preinstalled in Windows 11, and is available for Windows 10 in Microsoft Store:

            Code:
            ms-appinstaller:?source=https://aka.ms/getwinget

            Other relevant sites:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Package_Manager

            https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli

            I absolutely refuse to use a package manager in Windows. I want to have control over where non-Windows system stuff get installed to. Installers are still ideal for that very reason. The only things I am willing to install to default locations or use a package manger in Windows are are Visual Studio, .NET, SQL Server and all their respective addons and SDKs that depend on default installation paths to work properly. As far as I'm concerned, C:\, C:\Program Files and %APPDATA% should not be a dumping ground for all software and applications under the sun.

            Even in Linux i don't use the package manager. Hell, I'm practically running on a Debian-turned-Linux-From-Scratch installation and compiled all my software and drivers from source code.

            Anybody who says that Debian is unusable and WIndows is outdated are what they are: poseurfags who know nothing about Linux and its internals when Windows 10's scheduler outright destroys Linux's, especially on Alder Lake.. So anything such people say about LO being better than MSO is automatically garbage by nature of being an idiot and poseur who doesn't know the least about operating systems and applications.
            Last edited by Sonadow; 05 February 2022, 11:07 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by mSparks View Post
              Great to see this project to go from strength to strength.

              Last time I checked (about v 6 iirc) there was a showstopper bug with random numbers inside multiple operations (always the same value), anyone know if this has been fixed? And if not where I should report it.
              You'll have to see for yourself if it has been fixed, I've never heard of such a problem. Or your search bugzilla. As for how to submit bug reports, you could just have googled that yourself, you would have very quickly found this every in their wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/en

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post

                Anybody who says that Debian is unusable and WIndows is outdated are what they are: poseurfags who know nothing about Linux and its internals when Windows 10's scheduler outright destroys Linux's, especially on Alder Lake.. So anything such people say about LO being better than MSO is automatically garbage by nature of being an idiot and poseur who doesn't know the least about operating systems and applications.
                Watch your tone, you little a**hole! Just because you are literally insane doesn't mean you can just run around insulting people. Just because you arrogant piece of sh** think you ate all wisdom with the big spoon doesn't mean you are actually right. Windows is stuck in the last century already because they don't have a proper package manager, especially not as the default way to install programs, which poses an unacceptably high security thread since every program needs to make sure on its own to be up-to-date and update itself since the user can't be trusted to do so. Plus it has no dependency management whatsoever. If multiple programs need Python for example, they all have to bundle it themselves since they can't just tell the OS to install it if it's missing, plus programs behaving as dumb as you and need to install everything where they deem fitting, best without making that known through environment variables make it impossible to just tell the installers to only install Python when it's not already there. Linux can handle that for decades, MS still hasn't figured it out.

                And yes, an Office Suite which only reason of existing is incompatibility with everything and thus screwing everyone over that wants to use an alternative, and that actively works against the users wishes can't be described as anything else than a steaming pile of shit!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Artim View Post

                  You'll have to see for yourself if it has been fixed, I've never heard of such a problem. Or your search bugzilla. As for how to submit bug reports, you could just have googled that yourself, you would have very quickly found this every in their wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/en
                  But I was logged in and talking on here.
                  Thanks, at least one still there
                  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=40626

                  Dates back to 2011, MO/Datatables is literally the only reason any of us use MS Excel since there is no better alternative, the implementation is (still) broken in LO and until its fixed Calc isn't a viable replacement. I stopped really looking when the one bug I was following was marked as by design and closed.

                  LO writer is an excellent word replacement though. been using that for a few years now (some non free fonts need installing to maintain the layout).
                  Last edited by mSparks; 05 February 2022, 06:51 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                    But I was logged in and talking on here.
                    Thanks, at least one still there
                    https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=40626

                    Dates back to 2011, MO/Datatables is literally the only reason any of us use MS Excel since there is no better alternative, the implementation is (still) broken in LO and until its fixed Calc isn't a viable replacement. I stopped really looking when the one bug I was following was marked as by design and closed.

                    LO writer is an excellent word replacement though. been using that for a few years now (some non free fonts need installing to maintain the layout).
                    I opened that "demo of the bug" file, in the latest Excel, and it produces three errors both in .ods and .xlsx file formats.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by johnp View Post

                      I opened that "demo of the bug" file, in the latest Excel, and it produces three errors both in .ods and .xlsx file formats.
                      So I just tested in 7.2.5-4 (latest on fedora). Its still there.
                      simple test case

                      D5: 1
                      E5: =D5+Rand()
                      E7: =E5
                      D12-18: 1
                      select D12 to E18
                      Data->multiple operations
                      Formulas: $E$7
                      Column input cell: D5
                      OK

                      All the answers are the same.
                      If you repeat, but use $E$5 for formulas of multiple operations then every answer is different, even though E7: =E5

                      This breaks all the sensitivity analysis stuff we do and makes calc unusable and incompatible with basically every excel file we have. I'll try this again when 7.3 drops on the repo, but I don't hold out much hope tbh.
                      Last edited by mSparks; 06 February 2022, 06:18 PM.

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