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  • #21
    Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
    It would be useful if ffmpeg could have a "patent-safe" version with codecs >20 years old (as well as the free VP8/VP9/AV1 codecs). The MPEG4 stuff is now out of patent (heck... h264 is 19 years old now)...
    Hell no. A waste of effort. It would be so castrated it would be useless.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
      It would be useful if ffmpeg could have a "patent-safe" version with codecs >20 years old (as well as the free VP8/VP9/AV1 codecs). The MPEG4 stuff is now out of patent (heck... h264 is 19 years old now)...
      Well i think openSuse ships with a ffmpeg version that is checked by the Legal team for patent related problems and you need a extra repository for the ffmpeg version that does not suck. Sadly still a lot Online services are not usable without h264 "although one of the US patents in the MPEG LA H.264 pool lasts at least until 2027."(guess it is for 25Years)

      At least mp3 has the patents expired now.

      But as a other user did write before
      Worse, naive users would submit bugs in the official ffmpeg bug tracker against these disabled features not working, which the ffmpeg developers absolutely hate.
      Last edited by Toggleton; 16 January 2022, 04:34 PM.

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      • #23
        "h264 "although one of the US patents in the MPEG LA H.264 pool lasts at least until 2027."(guess it is for 25Years)"

        That's likely for the SVC extensions to h264, which are (theoretically) optional. There have been updates to h264 over the years, but the 2003 reference player will still play most streams - albeit without all the whizzy features like adaptive quality/bandwidth.


        It is unfortunate that people will raise bugs about missing newer features, but to be included in mainline Linux distros we'll need to get used to not having all the features. The only other alternative is nothing working at all. This is all going to come to a head when h264 goes out of patent...
        Last edited by OneTimeShot; 16 January 2022, 05:02 PM.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
          "h264 "although one of the US patents in the MPEG LA H.264 pool lasts at least until 2027."(guess it is for 25Years)"

          That's likely for the SVC extensions to h264, which are (theoretically) optional. There have been updates to h264 over the years, but the 2003 reference player will still play most streams - albeit without all the whizzy features like adaptive quality/bandwidth.


          It is unfortunate that people will raise bugs about missing newer features, but to be included in mainline Linux distros we'll need to get used to not having all the features. The only other alternative is nothing working at all. This is all going to come to a head when h264 goes out of patent...
          https://scratchpad.fandom.com/wiki/M...#H.264_patents this was the first best list i found. so. Seems like 2023 could be a point where a lot patent expire that got filed before h264 reference. But quite some that are longer than that.

          EDIT: well Users don't care who is responsible for the not working stuff. The Users don't care about patents so they will complain where they think is the right place.
          Last edited by Toggleton; 16 January 2022, 05:26 PM.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by coder View Post
            Where?
            In the thumbnail as shown in the front page of Phoronix.

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