GNOME 41 Released With Wayland Improvements, More Performance Tuning

[Sonadow]

Too bad Gnome 4X is not available in Debian 11 otherwise it would get equal screentime with Plasma Wayland.

The only extension I actually want is one that duplicates the top panel across multiple monitors. And so far, no developer has stepped up to make this happen on Gnome 4X.

[pal666]

some people don't like how gnome looks, i don't like music in their trailer

[finalzone]

"Building an Alternative Ecosystem"
solus tech
September 14, 2021
Joshua Strobl

https://joshuastrobl.com/2021/09/14/building-an-alternative-ecosystem/

"...To make matters worse, when some improvements were proposed by an engineer at System76 to libadwaita’s Recoloring API, which is their alternative to theming that is specific to recoloring various elements of GNOME apps and is app-specific (not system wide), these improvements were rejected on the basis that some of the GNOME developers disliked the opinions expressed by the engineer on social media...

Here is a rebuttal written by Jordan Petridis, GNOME Contributor:

The Truth they are not telling you about “Themes”

https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2021/09/18/the-truth-they-are-not-telling-you-about-themes/

Compared to GTK 3, there isn’t a new way to enforce the “hardcoded” style. The GTK_THEME variable still works, as does ~/.config/gtk-4.0/gtk.css and probably 3 other ways of doing this. The process to theme your system might be a bit different compared to GTK 3 but it will still work. Likewise, if you are developing a distribution, you have control of the end product and can do anything you want with the code. There is a plethora of options available. Apparently complaining on social media and bullying volunteers into submission was one such option…

And I guess this also needs to be stated: this change only affects apps that choose to use libadwaita and adopt the GNOME Design Guidelines, not “every” GTK 4 application.

The details are listed inside the above blog showing work is on the way for a working dark theme and accents with Adwaita as a base rather a hacking approach.

[veeableful]

There is a utility called TLP, that used to give me more battery time. It tweaks some parameters on the OS to better suit laptops. Take a look to see if it is available on your distro.

Thank you. It seems like there is an article for TLP on Fedora. I will try it out!

[pal666]

Theming and customisation are a core aspect of the Linux desktop

if you don't have any real work to do. i suspect distros, rather than users, are more concerned with theming, especially various ubuntu reskins

To all you Gnome apologists

"featurex doesn't work in wayland because i tried it in kde"

[pal666]

even Windows has handled this competently since at least 7 via Aero Peek, and older DEs have/had a tray/taskbar icon to hide and show all windows, making it utterly trivial to get to the desktop.

same shit with gnome: press win and there you have all your icons. even searchable by typing one or two letters.

I don't keep stuff on the desktop myself, but it's a perfectly sensible workflow to have, and this has been a solved problem for longer than I can remember. The fact that gnome chooses to not be capable of handling it is entirely on the gnome devs.

i see the fact that you are unable to learn

[pal666]

Maybe we should convince the Gnome people that extensions were a mistake

what extensions do you need to launch browser and post your cries? i'm pretty sure extensions aren't really needed

[danmcgrew]

...That's pretty much the point with GNOME - the devs make the desktop for themselves and claim it's perfect, just users are stupid and should learn how to properly interact with the UI.

All you non-critical non-THINKERS, who are a good part of---one of THE reasons---why there will never be a "Year-Of-Linux-On-The-Desktop" need to read these---unless, of course, making yourselves more intelligent is a non-option, as seems to be indicated by the majority of the comments here:


"GNOME to prevent theming, wider community not happy"
Thom Holwerda 2021-09-16 Gnome 47 Comments

https://www.osnews.com/story/133955/gnome-to-prevent-theming-wider-community-not-happy/

"...Well, thanks to Joshua Strobl, experience lead of Solus and one of the main developers of Budgie, I now have a great in-depth story to link to. I urge you to read the whole article, but here’s Strobl’s conclusions:

1. GTK4 has not met our expectations since its release in December of 2020, nor have we been satisfied with its state as of the writing of this post.
2. Current plans by GNOME for changes to how theming works is viewed as regressive for desktop Linux, developers, and user choice.
3. We do not believe that GNOME is treating its community, from individual users to entire operating systems, in a manner that is equitable and respectful of their choice on how they want to curate their own experience.
4. Budgie 11 will not be written in GTK4.
5. For Budgie Edition: we will be working on replacing software developed by GNOME with that of alternative software developers as well as “in-house” solutions. These will not necessarily be under the GetSolus organization nor will they be associated with Budgie. Adopting Budgie going forward (at least until 11, when we have our own control center) does not and will not require using our own apps. This has even remained true even for Budgie Desktop View, we support alternatives like Desktop Folder as alternative “desktop” implementations in Budgie.
6. GNOME Edition will be demoted to a non-curated edition and moved to a lesser position on our Downloads page in a future release of Solus.

"...This is a shitty situation, and the GNOME developers are causing a lot of bad blood and rifts here that really could have been avoided. Theming and customisation are a core aspect of the Linux desktop, and breaking it like this is going to make a lot of non-GNOME developers as well as users very, very unhappy."
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And here’s the detailed story--

"Building an Alternative Ecosystem"
solus tech
September 14, 2021
Joshua Strobl

https://joshuastrobl.com/2021/09/14/building-an-alternative-ecosystem/

"...To make matters worse, when some improvements were proposed by an engineer at System76 to libadwaita’s Recoloring API, which is their alternative to theming that is specific to recoloring various elements of GNOME apps and is app-specific (not system wide), these improvements were rejected on the basis that some of the GNOME developers disliked the opinions expressed by the engineer on social media...

"...the opinions, words, or actions of some of these [Gnome] developers may not reflect the entire[ty] of GNOME, the regularity of this behavior from GNOME contributors clearly speaks to a cultural problem inside of GNOME. They aren’t just being anti-user at this point (actively making it more difficult to curate their own Linux experience), but anti-developer as well. Rather than listening to the concerns of entire operating systems and many of their own users on the negative impact of GNOME’s decisions, they have doubled down..."

To all you Gnome apologists, there are two appropriate answers to your complete and total lack of any critical-thinking skills:


"We are all born ignorant, but to remain stupid requires hard work."---Benjamin Franklin

"I would like to agree with you, but doing so would affront your intelligence."---William F. Buckley, Jr.

[moonlite]

[…] you need many extensions to make it usable... […]

No you really don't.

[arQon]

At first I thought it's ridicolous when they removed desktop icons, but it's really not, at least for me. There is always some window covering the icons, so you constantly shift windows around to reach your stuff.

No you don't, and you haven't for well over a decade: even Windows has handled this competently since at least 7 via Aero Peek, and older DEs have/had a tray/taskbar icon to hide and show all windows, making it utterly trivial to get to the desktop.

I don't keep stuff on the desktop myself, but it's a perfectly sensible workflow to have, and this has been a solved problem for longer than I can remember. The fact that gnome chooses to not be capable of handling it is entirely on the gnome devs. That you feel you have to paint yourself as a Stockhom Syndrome poster child over it sums up the gnome experience perfectly though.