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Mez'
Let the specialists take care of those and use the resources to relieve the burden, i.e. develop and maintain the necessary options and customizations...
https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/202...unity-power-1/
Especially this
"This leads them to think that GNOME is developed by a centralized company with a hierarchical structure, where developers are assigned tasks by their manager, based on a roadmap set by higher management, with a marketing department coordinating public-facing messaging, and so on. Basically, they think we’re a tech company. "
And this
"General confusion around how resources are allocated (“Why are they working on X when they don’t even have Y?”)"
It's from a Gnome community member but applies to most open source projects.Last edited by tomas; 20 July 2021, 06:58 AM.
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Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
You mean this work of beauty you can only access if you minimize your windows https://ufo.ai/iconsareoverrated/5o791x8.png ? Everyone wants to get rid of them.
Are we throwing away desks because someone is messier than others?
Originally posted by Alexmitter View PostEven microsoft and apple want to get rid of those 80s mistakes. If I give you 5 random applications with Menu Bars and tell you to find the settings in all of them on the first try, you will fail dramatically.
Actually, you might be right. I probably wouldn't find the settings at my first try, but the beauty of menu bars is that they're discoverable.
They allow the user to glimpse at a large part of a software features and functionality just by browsing the menus.
Classic menus also teach keyboard shortcuts by putting them right where the user is going to see them, without having to open a dedicated page.
Windows may replace some of them with ribbons, aka tabbed toolbars, another old UI pattern that's nowhere to be seen in Gnome, but I don't think Visual Studio is going to ditch its menu any time soon. And neither is VSCode by the way.
Also the global menu is one of the oldest and most defining characteristics of the Apple desktop experience. Do you think they'll get rid of it just for the lulz?
Long story short, of course there will be other patterns and new patterns, but menu bars are not disappearing.
Originally posted by Alexmitter View PostMicrosoft wants to get rid of them and apple phased them out replacing them with small widgets that can actually display something useful if clicked.
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tomas
Tobias Bernard's blog is useful to have an idea about where Gnome's design is going, but apart from that he's too opinionated for me and that casts a shadow on anything else he writes...
By the way, he doesn't mention the fact that Gnome and Gtk are develped mostly by Red Hat. I'm not saying that they're the sole contributor, but they're by far the more importantLast edited by JackLilhammers; 20 July 2021, 07:30 AM.
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Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post[USER="102886"] Gnome and Gtk are develped mostly by Red Hat. I'm not saying that they're the sole contributor, but they're by far the more important
"The people actually making the product are either volunteers (and thus answer to nobody), or work for one of about a dozen companies employing people to work on various parts of GNOME. All of these companies have different interests and areas of focus depending on how they use GNOME, and tend to contribute accordingly."
If you're a paying customer of RedHat, especially a major customer, then of course it's easier to influence where they should put their resources regarding Gnome.
The misconception seems to be that people think developer resources are exchangeable and that the developers of say Epiphany can be directed to work on something completely different that the user deems more important. This is often not the case. Just as an example, the main contributors to Epiphany, Michael Catanzaro and Xan Lopez, are both employed by the consultancy firm Igalia. What does that tell us? That Igalia have one more more customers actually paying them to develop Epiphany. That might seem strange given the state of Epiphany compared to major browsers, but that is beside the point. Perhaps Epiphany is used in som kiosk mode somewhere or embedded into some product? I don't know.Last edited by tomas; 20 July 2021, 07:25 AM.
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Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Posttomas
Tobias Bernard's blog is useful to have an idea about where Gnome's design is going, but a part from that he's too opinionated for me and that casts a shadow on anything else he writes...
By the way, he doesn't mention the fact that Gnome and Gtk are develped mostly by Red Hat. I'm not saying that they're the sole contributor, but they're by far the more important
It literally meant "we don't care one bit about what users think or want".
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Originally posted by tomas View PostMez'
I'd recommend you read this blog post:
https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/202...unity-power-1/
Especially this
"This leads them to think that GNOME is developed by a centralized company with a hierarchical structure, where developers are assigned tasks by their manager, based on a roadmap set by higher management, with a marketing department coordinating public-facing messaging, and so on. Basically, they think we’re a tech company. "
And this
"General confusion around how resources are allocated (“Why are they working on X when they don’t even have Y?”)"
It's from a Gnome community member but applies to most open source projects.
But then why are the surrounding apps updates reported in the same news and not as a separate entity?
All I'm saying is: however you do it, use the resources more efficiently than for pointless NIH apps.Last edited by Mez'; 20 July 2021, 07:34 AM.
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Mez'
His blog post was arrogance impersonated. It literally meant "we don't care one bit about what users think or want".
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Originally posted by Mez' View PostAll I'm saying is: however you do it, use the resources more efficiently than for pointless NIH apps.
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...76#post1268476
regarding this issue, specifically taking Epiphany as an example.
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