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    JackLilhammers
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    tomas
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    Tobias Bernard's blog is useful to have an idea about where Gnome's design is going, but apart from that he's too opinionated for me and that casts a shadow on anything else he writes...
    By the way, he doesn't mention the fact that Gnome and Gtk are develped mostly by Red Hat. I'm not saying that they're the sole contributor, but they're by far the more important
    JackLilhammers
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    Last edited by JackLilhammers; 20 July 2021, 07:30 AM.

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    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post

    You mean this work of beauty you can only access if you minimize your windows https://ufo.ai/iconsareoverrated/5o791x8.png ? Everyone wants to get rid of them.
    You can fill your desk with all kinds of papers, documents, and stuff, you can keep it nice and clean, or you can do whatever works best for you. It's up to you.
    Are we throwing away desks because someone is messier than others?

    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
    Even microsoft and apple want to get rid of those 80s mistakes. If I give you 5 random applications with Menu Bars and tell you to find the settings in all of them on the first try, you will fail dramatically.
    Of course they want, that's why so many professional software tools have a menu bar.
    Actually, you might be right. I probably wouldn't find the settings at my first try, but the beauty of menu bars is that they're discoverable.
    They allow the user to glimpse at a large part of a software features and functionality just by browsing the menus.
    Classic menus also teach keyboard shortcuts by putting them right where the user is going to see them, without having to open a dedicated page.
    Windows may replace some of them with ribbons, aka tabbed toolbars, another old UI pattern that's nowhere to be seen in Gnome, but I don't think Visual Studio is going to ditch its menu any time soon. And neither is VSCode by the way.

    Also the global menu is one of the oldest and most defining characteristics of the Apple desktop experience. Do you think they'll get rid of it just for the lulz?

    Long story short, of course there will be other patterns and new patterns, but menu bars are not disappearing.

    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
    Microsoft wants to get rid of them and apple phased them out replacing them with small widgets that can actually display something useful if clicked.
    Maybe they want to, but they're not going to remove them while lots of software still use them.

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    Mez'
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    Let the specialists take care of those and use the resources to relieve the burden, i.e. develop and maintain the necessary options and customizations...
    I'd recommend you read this blog post:

    https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/202...unity-power-1/

    Especially this

    "This leads them to think that GNOME is developed by a centralized company with a hierarchical structure, where developers are assigned tasks by their manager, based on a roadmap set by higher management, with a marketing department coordinating public-facing messaging, and so on. Basically, they think we’re a tech company. "

    And this

    "General confusion around how resources are allocated (“Why are they working on X when they don’t even have Y?”)"

    It's from a Gnome community member but applies to most open source projects.
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    Last edited by tomas; 20 July 2021, 06:58 AM.

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  • tildearrow
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    Originally posted by rastersoft View Post

    Just install a couple of extensions and... BANG!
    Just install the next version of GNOME and... BANG! Extensions gone; have to upgrade them all and good luck with obscure/abandoned extensions

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
    "Everything that isn't a clone of Windows 95 is unusable on the PC"
    Denied. This has nothing to do with anything.
    Not liking one thing as it is doesn't mean holding to something old and very different.
    Either you are a bit twofold simple-minded or more likely this is an intellectual manipulation of Gnome bigots to try and belittle critical users.

    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post
    You mean this work of beauty you can only access if you minimize your windows https://ufo.ai/iconsareoverrated/5o791x8.png ? Everyone wants to get rid of them.
    A massive number of users like those and use them in their workflow.
    Just a few want to get rid of them. You know, the little Gnome fanboys/dictators without the most basic empathy and tolerance towards others who use them. I don't use them, but I am able to put myself in others' shoe and accept they think differently. You should try it. You'll grow as an individual.
    Mez'
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    Last edited by Mez'; 20 July 2021, 05:29 AM.

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by perpetually high

    Oh my god, respectfully, shut the hell up. Imagine downloading an ALPHA operating system and complaining it's not working in an office setting and backwards compatible with all of your extensions.

    You're not paying anyone a dime to use GNOME

    I'm not gonna even start on your post, the guy above me took care of it. But man you sound like you whine a lot. Again, respectfully
    You're the only one whining here though.

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Hardly missed, up to that power user to create an extension for that purpose and then propose to the team.

    Majority of ordinary users care less about the advanced application like Dolphin to access their files through clutter.
    Bull.
    Split pane is better than snapping in every possible way. Nemo does it though. Majority of ordinary users want to be able to sort and transfer files easily and properly (photos would be a great example in this holiday period). At this point, Nautilus can barely do that.
    And that's why many users have switched to Nemo even for simple file transfers, as it is much more featured and professional looking than what Nautilus has become.

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  • Mez'
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    Just drop Epiphany, Evince or Boxes.
    Every single normal minded person installs a decent PDF viewer in the first hour of using his/her system. Epiphany is no-one's to go browser, not even the backup. And there are plenty of better solutions for virtualization.

    Let the specialists take care of those and use the resources to relieve the burden, i.e. develop and maintain the necessary options and customizations 90% of Gnome users are so desperately expecting (contrary to aforementioned useless apps).

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by You- View Post
    The new layout also works great on laptops.
    It doesn't. Thanks.

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  • Alexmitter
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    Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post

    desktop icons
    You mean this work of beauty you can only access if you minimize your windows https://ufo.ai/iconsareoverrated/5o791x8.png ? Everyone wants to get rid of them.

    Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post
    , menu bars,
    Even microsoft and apple want to get rid of those 80s mistakes. If I give you 5 random applications with Menu Bars and tell you to find the settings in all of them on the first try, you will fail dramatically.

    Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post
    and the system tray
    Microsoft wants to get rid of them and apple phased them out replacing them with small widgets that can actually display something useful if clicked.

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