GNOME 41 Alpha Released With Many Desktop Changes Accumulating

[Mez']

Mez'
How so? Be specific. And I'm not talking about his latest post in this series, part 4, which (rightfully in my opinion) got criticized also within the Gnome community.

That's part 4 I'm talking about, indeed. It was preposterous.

[JackLilhammers]

Yes, so? He specifically mentions that the various components making up Gnome are developed by volunteers and companies

Linux is developed by companies and some volunteers, Gnome and Gtk are developed by Red Hat et al.
There's a difference and it shows.

https://hpjansson.org/blag/2020/12/16/on-the-graying-of-gnome/

[tomas]

JackLilhammers

Gnome and Gtk are developed by Red Hat et al.

I still don't get your point?
Yes, so the single most active contributor to Gnome are RedHat employees?
Ok, and then what?
BTW, the newly released gtk4 was mainly developed by Emanuele Bassi who was employed by the Gnome Foundation itself to work on this.
Regarding your blog post about the "On the greying of GNOME", it's not like it's some sort of criticism of the project, it's just interesting statistics and some conclusions.
Looking at the comments section of said article shows that many of the current Gnome developers, like Emanuele Bassi and Allan day, only have praise for the author. For example, Emanuele Bassi (gtk4 creator among many other things) had this to say:

"Thanks for compiling this data!
One explanation for the peak achieved in 2010 is that we had an “all hands on deck” for the 3.0 release; we had a lot of components being ported to GTK3, a lot of deprecations, and an overall consolidation of projects. It would be interesting to see the trend lines for the amount of modules were added and removed from what we consider “GNOME” over the years."

[andrea76]

Mez'
https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/202...unity-power-1/

So, the user should learn from them: "No, you cannot use tray bar" "No, you cannot use taskbar" "No, you cannot minimize".
The simplest and fastest solution for basic users: returning to Windows.

So, which user is GNOME for??????

This is a BIG problem, since I am not a "basic" windows user, but a Linux user from 1996.

[andrea76]

Have you ever heard of notifications?

The problem with them is that they disappear after X seconds. A status icon in tray area remains in that place forever...
Have you ever seen the new messages icon of whatsapp?

[tomas]

So, the user should learn from them: "No, you cannot use tray bar" "No, you cannot use taskbar" "No, you cannot minimize".
The simplest and fastest solution for basic users: returning to Windows.

So, which user is GNOME for??????

This is a BIG problem, since I am not a "basic" windows user, but a Linux user from 1996.

You are free to use any other desktop environment available on Linux. Why should they listen to you? Just because you are a user and that is what you would like to see? They don't agree with your vision. They are free to go in their own direction, and you are free to use the result of their labor or not. Thinking that they should listen to you and other users and do what you tell them will only get you frustrated and angry. Now, the result of them not doing what you think is necessary in Gnome may lead to a majority of users deciding to use some other desktop environment on Linux, like KDE Plasma or Cinnamon or Mate or.... etc. But again, the Gnome Project are free to persue their vision and you are free to choose something else, even choose some other operating system entirely.

[ColdDistance]

Is there any news about DMA-BUF support for Radeon GPUs?

[uid313]

As for Epiphany, can it run sandboxed with Flatpak? Because I don't need a web browser to have access to all of my file system, just ~/Downloads.

As for Evince, I want it sandboxed with Flatpak so I can open unknown PDF files from untrusted sources. PDF can execute JavaScript code, it is not just a document with text, images and drawings.
I would also like a sepia mode to make it more comfortable to read.
When the dark mode is activated it only makes the document dark but not the whole user interface and theme dark.

As for gedit, it still does not support syntax highlighting for ASP.NET views (.cshtml files).

As for GNOME Calculator, it lacks support for plots which is supported by calculators in other systems such as Windows and macOS.

wake me up when gnome decided to make DE for PC user who don't have and like touch-screen stop copying mac and windows 8 look
maybe add server-side decorations support too

From what I understand the developers themselves does not consider themselves chasing a touch-screen approach or copying Mac or Windows 8, they idea is a "modern desktop", so they want a DE for PC, but they have a different idea how that one is.

That's great but they still don't have Dash to Dock & Dash to Panel or Arc Menu working quite right with Gnome 40.

I use Dash to Panel and ArcMenu on GNOME 40 and it works fine. I don't think Dash to Dock works yet though.

On day I'll open an article about GNOME update and I'll learn that they have dash-to-dock or dash-to-panel baked in and there won't be any flamewar in the comment section. Maybe in another life?

Well you don't need to pay attention to any flame war or care about what other people think. Just use whatever you like and be happy about it. If your favorite extension isn't built-in then why does that matter when you can just enable that extension and have it exactly how you want it?

[perpetually high]

Michael ??

Why were my original posts toward ElectricPrism deleted?

What's up with that censorship bud.

The guy cried on here, and then a bunch of other whiners liked his post. Go comment on KDE posts, and stay off GNOME threads if you don't like them.

Sad bunch. Ain't fooling nobody with those long posts ElectricPrism.

[tomas]

andrea76

The problem with them is that they disappear after X seconds

No they don't.
That's not how notifications work in Gnome 40. It's similar to how notifications work in for example Android.
For example, new mail notification from Evolution will not automatically disappear in Gnome 40.