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Firefox 90 Released With FTP Support Removed, Better WebRender Software Performance
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Originally posted by dreich View PostMozilla is no stranger to the concept of cramming more stuff on their product to increase the perceived value. FTP, bittorrent and other protocols should not be available through a web browser. There are simple clients without heaps of dependencies, wide ranging support for all sorts of platforms, headless operation, etc than web browsers.
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Originally posted by bug77 View PostThose are all internet-related protocols. What makes the cut for a web browser and what doesn't is a fine line.
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Originally posted by microcode View PostReally don't get what's gained by dropping the FTP browser... I get that it's becoming fringe over time, but a) I think most people who use FTP occasionally rely on the browser to do it and b) lots of web pages have FTP links in them. Not to mention FTPS, which is included in this change.
Note that Firefox still lets you register scheme handlers. So you could potentially have an "ftp://" link automatically open Filezilla or whatever FTP client you want in case you encounter such unfortunate links on the web.
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Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
Web browsers already do much more than they should do. Firefox absolutely spams you with their "services" like sync and Firefox monitor. Why not leave in modules that were actually useful?
It goes without saying that telemetry and spying are beyond the job description of a browser
On the other hand, FTP is a practically dead protocol that has nothing to do with browsing the modern web and everything to do with browsing the ancient web of the '90s-'00s, and which prime functionality (moving files to and fro) has been superseded by other, more capable and secure protocols since ages ago. So, an FTP client tacked on to a modern browser? Now that's a useless feature to keep around if I've ever seen one, especially if we consider that there also exist far more capable standalone FTP clients out there.
Also, telemetry may be undesirable to some people and abused by some entities, but it's not spying and it is (or can be) part of the job description of any software that wants to know how its users use it, including a browser.
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97.8% of "big brain" Firefox user comments:
a) "China is spying on everyone. So is big tech with their censorship. [Insert nonsensical privacy/security concerns here]"
b) *useless feature(s) gets deprecated/removed* "WAAAHHHHH. I want and need Firefox to be able to monitor my blood sugar while I set the timer on my microwave through my Firefox account"
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Originally posted by avem View PostFTP is just a bad protocol overall:- Requires two (control/data) connections thus works badly via NAT
- 100% insecure and allows to modify files en route
- Doesn't support any encrypted methods of authentication (e.g. SCRAM)
- REST is not always implemented
- Bad error handling
Not only that, but it also takes longer to retrieve a file via FTP than HTTP. 5 commands to get a file in FTP vs. 1 in HTTP.
Also one day I got a corrupt file because I forgot to set a binary mode or something.....
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