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Originally posted by Jumbotron View PostYeah.....like us GTK/Gnome fans warning KDE fanbois and C++ lovers for decades they were going to get burned one day by Trolltech and and whoever bought them in the future...( cough, QT, cough cough )
But please, keep spreading FUD and telling us that the sky is falling for a couple more decades. It's really comical.
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Originally posted by ed31337 View PostMy DE is a bit of a hodgepodge consisting of Wayfire, the Wayfire panel (wf-shell), xfce terminal, and GNOME's (?) Nemo file manager.
I saw you mention wayfire somewhere in a forum a few weeks ago so I went and tested it (since it has compiz effects and wobbly windows in particular and my relation with Gnome is at a bear it-dislike it level, I would try anything at this point).
It didn't even feel alpha software though (v0.7). So slow and buggy. Apps would start or not, then appear after 15-20 seconds. When I minimized a window, I couldn't find it back (not appearing in the panel or anywhere) and had to kill and restart it to have it active again. There might have been some shortcuts I was not aware of though. Might also be the Manjaro implementation as well. Still seem like a long work in progress. Compiz-like effects are mostly working though.
To top it off, it screwed up pipewire, I had to revert to pulseaudio and back to pipewire to get back my output devices and sound as no other usual solution worked.
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My DE is a bit of a hodgepodge consisting of Wayfire, the Wayfire panel (wf-shell), xfce terminal, and GNOME's (?) Nemo file manager.
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Originally posted by Monsterovich View Post
You benchmark GPU framerate in glxgears? Oookay.
glxgears' purpose is to check if graphics work at all. Use glmark2 instead.
FWIW, playing MegaGlest runs much smoother for me on Wayland than Xorg, which is what really mattered to me. Unfortunately, I don't know how to get it to display FPS to objectively compare how much better it is though.
I never had playback tearing in Xorg except in the case of Firefox but V-sync was disabled in about:config for some reason.
Even xfce4?
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What's your setup? I mean which distribution, DE, etc. I've been trying to use a rpi as desktop for quite some time, but always failed
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Originally posted by Monsterovich View PostBut it does and I've explained how it affects other DEs.
Wayland can't even compete with Xorg which was invented decades ago. We all know why: Wayland is an embodiment of NIH syndrome. It's not a proper replacement for Xorg: Wayland added more problems and solved almost none of them. The lack of compatibility with Xorg is not making Wayland look better. The only thing that replace Xorg is another Xorg (X12) which would have backward compatibility with X11. This seems like a solution to me.
I don't know much about MacOS but Win10 UI is fine. Even Microsoft has learned from their mistakes after Win8 but Gnome just can't.
It's not just about bugs. It's about how fast I can deploy and develop GTK applications on Windows. Qt did a good job on this matter.
I don't pay for Qt either.
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Originally posted by flower View PostWayland won't kill xfce
they just need another wm and they are working on it. next steps to make it wayland compatible will happen at gsoc.
i am very much looking forward to it
Pls read the context
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Originally posted by ed31337 View Postglxgears went from around 200fps to 2000fps!
glxgears' purpose is to check if graphics work at all. Use glmark2 instead.
Originally posted by ed31337 View Postplayback no longer has the screen tearing exhibited on Xorg.
Originally posted by ed31337 View PostWayland is backward compatible with X11. Load up the Xwayland module and boom, you can run all your old X11 apps.Last edited by Monsterovich; 31 March 2021, 05:15 PM.
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I know, a lot of folks are probably using fast x86 processors with fast video cards and double digit GB's of RAM, so these were never problems for you on Xorg. But for me on a Raspberry Pi 4 with only 4GB of RAM, Wayland has been fantastic. glxgears went from around 200fps to 2000fps! Video playback no longer has the screen tearing exhibited on Xorg.
The lack of compatibility with Xorg is not making Wayland look better. The only thing that replace Xorg is another Xorg (X12) which would have backward compatibility with X11.
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