GNOME 40 Released With Many Improvements

[markus40]

So yeah, there's clearly a lack of argumentation and a lot of intolerance + arrogance from these trolls, and your simplistic message without any nuance is another good example of that. Cutting corners won't help your case.

Point on the doll were Gnome has hurt you.

[Mez']

No, they are not as amusing as they were in the past.
Where they cried the end of Gnome with the introduction Gnome 2.x
Where they bemoaned the introduction of anti-aliased fonts.
Scoffing at the introduction of udev and automatic mounting of external devices.
The screams of traitor and Judas when Xorg rose from the ashes of XFree86 development.
The hurrahs and proclaiming the ending of Gnome subservient to KDE 3.x, (as I liked to call it 'all your problems will be solved in the next point release' desktop) and the coming Linux desktop behemoth KDE 4.x
The silent retreat when KDE 4.x showed its colors. Next release will fix all the bugs, trust us again cried the Gnome hater/KDE aficionado
The very funny but predictable, putting the formerly too bad to be usable, Gnome 2.x, on a pedestal of perfection when Gnome 3.x saw the day of light.
The similar promise of the rise of XFCE after Gnome 3.x.
I saw all of it in the last 23 years of using Gnome as my main desktop. The current batch are pale clones of the great trolls of the past.

Just for laughs, here is a KDE developer view on KDE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHza5X2Jt2g
This must annoy the Gnome hater to no end.

I certainly don't consider myself as a troll (144hz is one), but these are lazy shortcuts once again.
I absolutely embraced the Unity/Gnome Shell paradigm back in 2010/2011 and immediately thought Gnome 2 and its children (Mate or Cinnamon) were doomed to survive. Which already proves your simplistic assumptions wrong. I was actually excited.
Now, the problem is Gnome Shell never lived up to its promises from my point of view, while Unity certainly did. This is subjective of course.
But I've always justified at length the reasons why Gnome keeps getting in my way and being a distraction to my workflow (e.g: starting into the overview is yet another extra step to do actual stuff for me).
The only (non-) arguments Gnome trolls (the extremists, not the measured ones) are able to come up with is

"Nobody care about your workflow, it is the only modern* paradigm and this is the way forward so you should adapt".

*another lazy shortcut

So yeah, there's clearly a lack of argumentation and a lot of intolerance + arrogance from these trolls, and your simplistic message without any nuance is another good example of that. Cutting corners won't help your case.

[aufkrawall]

Due to amdgpu kernel driver bugs; maybe you're hitting that as well? Check

journalctl [email protected] -b0

for cursor related messages.

There are no such journalctl entries listed.

[BesiegedAce]

oshan.wisumperuma
BesiegedAce

It's clear that Gtk and Nautilus don't care about people who work with images.
It may suck, but they're not Red Hat's user target.

I don't see how you need to be an image-focused user to want a filepicker with thumbnails. Especially when it's been a feature elsewhere for literal decades.

[BesiegedAce]

I just love all these anti-GNOME trolls with all the FUD they are spreading...

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Call me when GNOME/GTK gets a filepicker with thumbnails. This would not be nearly as egregious an issue if I could say, resize the single-file preview panel, or really configure the filepicker beyond just how files are sorted or whatever.

[Hash]

GNOME still uses Java and 1 Core of th CPU? lmao

[Hash]

GNOME still uses Java and 1 Core of th CPU? lmao

[markus40]

I just love all these anti-GNOME trolls with all the FUD they are spreading...

No, they are not as amusing as they were in the past.
Where they cried the end of Gnome with the introduction Gnome 2.x
Where they bemoaned the introduction of anti-aliased fonts.
Scoffing at the introduction of udev and automatic mounting of external devices.
The screams of traitor and Judas when Xorg rose from the ashes of XFree86 development.
The hurrahs and proclaiming the ending of Gnome subservient to KDE 3.x, (as I liked to call it 'all your problems will be solved in the next point release' desktop) and the coming Linux desktop behemoth KDE 4.x
The silent retreat when KDE 4.x showed its colors. Next release will fix all the bugs, trust us again cried the Gnome hater/KDE aficionado
The very funny but predictable, putting the formerly too bad to be usable, Gnome 2.x, on a pedestal of perfection when Gnome 3.x saw the day of light.
The similar promise of the rise of XFCE after Gnome 3.x.
I saw all of it in the last 23 years of using Gnome as my main desktop. The current batch are pale clones of the great trolls of the past.

Just for laughs, here is a KDE developer view on KDE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHza5X2Jt2g
This must annoy the Gnome hater to no end.

[aufkrawall]

Speaking as someone who actually used software cursor with GNOME Wayland for some time[0], I can assure you it's not really the same.

It's definitely not better vs. using a software cursor on Windows.

Due to amdgpu kernel driver bugs; maybe you're hitting that as well? Check

journalctl [email protected] -b0

for cursor related messages.

I can take another look.

[Mez']

Gnome 3 was so good that the community created 3 brand new desktop environment and resumed Gnome 2 into mate. Despite all the workforce that RH is able to tuck into Gnome, smaller teams with almost zero resources did more, and better, with less. Elementary, Budgie, Zorin even POP-Shell try to fix Gnome, have better usability and better ergonomic and do not blame people when thing are simply counter-intuitive.

Someone wanted shift Gnome from a project into a product and things can just go worst. And what it is the point to have a DE that every six months break the ABI/API? Where is the stability? I am happy and productive with another solution that allows me to tailor my environment the way I need because it is designed to empower me not to restrict me.

To finish, once Compiz was a reason to use Linux today Gnome 3(4,5,6 etc...) is a reason to not use it at all...

All of that. Especially that. And obviously that (even if you don't mention the one you use, I can easily imagine how it empowers you more).
Sometimes a like is not enough, and this deserves some further emphasis.