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    gilboa
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  • gilboa
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    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

    Something to remember some of the false positive cases with AV is Windows Defender itself. Yes some of the cases of source material for the signatures AV companies use in these false positive cases is Microsoft themselves as well. So yes some of the false positive cases on OpenShell or WB as malware trace back to Microsoft own anti-virus department. So Microsoft hits anyone doing a custom shell from two sides.
    I doubt its intentional. The market share is too small for MS to care.
    That said, it is possible...

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  • oiaohm
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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
    You are correct, but one cannot blame MS for having AV and EP companies mark OpenShell and/or WB as malware.
    However, one can certainly blame Microsoft for making it damn near impossible to replace the WM and DE in Windows.- Gilboa
    Something to remember some of the false positive cases with AV is Windows Defender itself. Yes some of the cases of source material for the signatures AV companies use in these false positive cases is Microsoft themselves as well. So yes some of the false positive cases on OpenShell or WB as malware trace back to Microsoft own anti-virus department. So Microsoft hits anyone doing a custom shell from two sides.

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  • gilboa
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    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

    Its not just hard or damn near impossible. If you get it to work a windows update can cause the complete thing to explode badly or a anti-virus decide your modifications are malware.

    https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...enu/issues/267 This is a OpenShell example of getting anti-virus false postive. Windows Blinds has had them as well. So its not just what MS sees fit its also fighting with different AV companies.

    Customising a Linux desktop at this stage does not have the levels of nightmares customising windows does. Of course the anti-virus bit could change in future if we don't watch it.
    You are correct, but one cannot blame MS for having AV and EP companies mark OpenShell and/or WB as malware.
    However, one can certainly blame Microsoft for making it damn near impossible to replace the WM and DE in Windows.

    - Gilboa

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  • gilboa
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    I've used WB in the past and it was extremely easy. But maybe something's changed now? Last time I used it was back on Vista or 7.
    The mere fact that its easy to use says nothing about Windows itself.
    As far as I remember, Stardock is doing a lot of black magic to get their own WM to replace Microsoft default WM. (A fairly simple task in the Linux world).

    ... Let alone trying to replace the shell (not just the start menu).

    - Gilboa

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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by gilboa View Post
    Actually, WindowBlinds (WB) and OpenShell (ClassicShell fork) go through hops to replace MS' default WM (WB) and shell (OpenShell).
    If anything, any attempt to customize Windows beyond what-ever MS sees fit, is either extremely hard or damn near impossible (Especially in WB's case).
    Its not just hard or damn near impossible. If you get it to work a windows update can cause the complete thing to explode badly or a anti-virus decide your modifications are malware.

    https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...enu/issues/267 This is a OpenShell example of getting anti-virus false postive. Windows Blinds has had them as well. So its not just what MS sees fit its also fighting with different AV companies.

    Customising a Linux desktop at this stage does not have the levels of nightmares customising windows does. Of course the anti-virus bit could change in future if we don't watch it.

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  • Vistaus
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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by gilboa View Post

    Actually, WindowBlinds (WB) and OpenShell (ClassicShell fork) go through hops to replace MS' default WM (WB) and shell (OpenShell).
    If anything, any attempt to customize Windows beyond what-ever MS sees fit, is either extremely hard or damn near impossible (Especially in WB's case).

    - Gilboa
    I've used WB in the past and it was extremely easy. But maybe something's changed now? Last time I used it was back on Vista or 7.

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  • gilboa
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  • gilboa
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    Windows has a lot of options and it allows external customization through e.g. WindowBlinds or Classic Shell.

    But I do agree that Windows by default was never my cup of tea either.
    Actually, WindowBlinds (WB) and OpenShell (ClassicShell fork) go through hops to replace MS' default WM (WB) and shell (OpenShell).
    If anything, any attempt to customize Windows beyond what-ever MS sees fit, is either extremely hard or damn near impossible (Especially in WB's case).

    - Gilboa

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by Firnefex View Post
    In what? Making a totally bullshit DE a bit less bullshit? All presets are bad.
    I could never configure my desktop the way I want because it is very limited.
    And how long did it take for WIndows to have e.g. a dark mode or other useful things?
    Windows has a lot of options and it allows external customization through e.g. WindowBlinds or Classic Shell.

    But I do agree that Windows by default was never my cup of tea either.

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  • Firnefex
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    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    It's not only me that seems to be getting along just fine with Windows, the whole world does.
    Thats because it is a sad standard. They "have to" use it, as most people in the world don't even know what Linux is.
    But nearly every person I know says that Win7 was the last Windows they were ok with.

    I think this is also reflected in the meanwhile flattening Linux Mint boom, because Cinnamon is a desktop environment what Windows should have looked like, not those mobile tile things...
    Firnefex
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    Last edited by Firnefex; 10 March 2021, 12:35 PM.

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  • uid313
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  • uid313
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    Originally posted by Firnefex View Post
    If you think it's easy, that's because you already know how it works. It's not very intuitive and there are so many restrictions after turning something off because Microsoft doesn't want you to do it. And all these nuisance popups and cryptic messages are really easy for a newbie to understand...
    I don't have any of these cryptic messages or popups. It's not only me that seems to be getting along just fine with Windows, the whole world does.

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