GNOME 40 Will Now Handle XWayland On-Demand By Default

[Paradigm Shifter]

Note that I'm not talking about sluggishness of the system, I'm only talking about smoothness of the desktop animations. But to answer your question, I haven't tried KDE on this specific hardware, but I remember trying both Gnome and KDE on different hardwares and the animations sluggishness was only in Gnome, not KDE.
However, here we are talking the same Gnome build on the same hardware and in Wayland it runs smoother than in X11. My guess is that the issue is related to vsync with multiple monitors, and that Wayland enables Gnome to do the right thing when it comes to preventing screen tearing.

Thanks!

You dislike Gnome Shell intensely, but the moment someone skins Gnome Shell by literally only baking some extensions right into it and calling it Cinnamon, you seem to completely forget your intense dislike.

Amazingly, while they might share a common back-end, they look and feel very different in daily use.

When features I liked, and used regularly, in Gnome 2 were missing in Gnome Shell - and worse, a mission critical application had problems with it - I went looking elsewhere. For a while I toyed with KDE, which I want to like, but always seems to take me too long to get tweaked to my liking. Then I used XFCE, which I liked, but unfortunately it didn't like triple-monitor. Unity and KDE were actually the best behaved desktops for triple-monitor, but I had the urge to try something new. I actually tried Cinnamon expecting not to like it all that much... and was pleased to discover that the default configuration in Mint was almost exactly how I wanted my desktop set up.

It's called combining quality assurance and features which meet market demand in the same product... something GNOME doesn't seem to understand.

(i.e. Taking responsibility for ensuring a minimum level of reliability and function in the configurations users actually want to use because, otherwise, the more you push your product as suitable for purpose, the more they'll be predisposed to seeing you as negligent or actively antagonistic.)

Agreed.

[omer666]

Fanboys always seem to get this wrong.

Trolls always seem to get this wrong. Just because some people actually like using modern paradigms doesn't mean they are fanboys. That's called tastes.

[JackLilhammers]

Trolls always seem to get this wrong. Just because some people actually like using modern paradigms doesn't mean they are fanboys. That's called tastes.

Your comment had nothing to do with modern paradigms or personal taste. Nor mine.
Your point was that Red Hat makes Gnome, therefore Red Hat cares about the desktop.
IMO you were also implying they care in the same way as Apple and Microsoft do, which is clearly not the case and it's something only a fanboy could say.
If that was not your stance, than sorry for the misunderstanding

[oiaohm]

Your comment had nothing to do with modern paradigms or personal taste. Nor mine.
Your point was that Red Hat makes Gnome, therefore Red Hat cares about the desktop.
IMO you were also implying they care in the same way as Apple and Microsoft do, which is clearly not the case and it's something only a fanboy could say.
If that was not your stance, than sorry for the misunderstanding

There is a side to this to remember as well. For a lot of Redhat market selling a Linux desktop solution has not be major possibility due to the X11 issues like no correct way to implement a lock screen.

Redhat has been one of the major parties pushing for Wayland against Nvidia resistance.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...el-NV-XWayland

Its really to simple to forgot that some of the reason for Redhat appearance of lack of interest in the desktop is how crap X11 is and how hard its been to get something not X11 that secure and works has been.

Once a secure Linux Desktop can be made that Redhat can sell the investment level in desktop work by Redhat could increase quite a bit.

We don't need a lot of people saying X11 works for me. The hard reality is Linux Desktop using X11 cannot tick the boxes lots of major companies and governments want ticked to allow something as a desktop OS. The day this changes properly things will get really interesting.

[144Hz]

The KMS stuff landed now.
Next:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutte..._requests/1484

[JackLilhammers]

oiaohm while I hope that you're right, I sincerely doubt that a full featured Wayland desktop will change things outside of the Linux world