GNOME 40 Will Now Handle XWayland On-Demand By Default

[sarmad]

I'm relatively new around here, and I have detected the same thing. The apparent anger towards X by so many just makes me roll my eyes and chuckle. It's free software, if you don't like it, don't use it but the gall to complain about something that is truly free is just too funny.

I'm actually in the opposite camp because I have no issues with X since it just works for me. To be honest, X will be on my machine for as long as the mainline distros provide LXDE packages because that is my desktop of choice.

I don't think anyone hates X11, they are simply eager to move on to the new tech stack since X11 is aging. X11 served its purpose well at the time, but it's old and it has issues that are resolved in Wayland. For example, on my machine Gnome animations are very sluggish on X11 with two monitors, whereas on Wayland I get smooth animations even with 3 monitors.

[Klassic Six]

Bye-bye X.

Equally important atomic mode setting support is almost done now.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutte..._requests/1488

Now we hate X?? It's a piece of software which worked pretty well for over three decades.

[JackLilhammers]

If Red Hat doesn't care about desktop, how comes they are the main contributor to the most widely used Linux desktop environment?

Fanboys always seem to get this wrong. It's not that RH or Canonical don't care about the desktop literally. Of course they do.
Just not in the same way Microsoft or Apple do. Because they have different targets.

[JackLilhammers]

sarmad Cool, may I ask what's your setup?

[vegabook]

Does screencast in Google Meet and Zoom work now under Wayland?

[zxy_thf]

If Red Hat doesn't care about desktop, how comes they are the main contributor to the most widely used Linux desktop environment?

It's somewhat like:
"We need build RH/RHEL Ecosystem"->"We need developers on RHEL"->"We need a decent DE for developers"->"Hire a team of people to work on some DE"->Gnome

[sarmad]

sarmad Cool, may I ask what's your setup?

System76 Darter Pro (intel i7 with intel UHD 620 gpu), 32gb ram, running PopOS 20.04. Using internal monitor running at 1080p, an external monitor also at 1080p and another external monitor running at 1200p; all monitors at 60fps refresh rates.

[oiaohm]

I'm relatively new around here, and I have detected the same thing. The apparent anger towards X by so many just makes me roll my eyes and chuckle. It's free software, if you don't like it, don't use it but the gall to complain about something that is truly free is just too funny.

I'm actually in the opposite camp because I have no issues with X since it just works for me. To be honest, X will be on my machine for as long as the mainline distros provide LXDE packages because that is my desktop of choice.

https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html

This is that you have not really looked under the hood of X11. The reality is X11 has not been in very good state for a long time. Like the fact that if a screen locker fails under X11 the result is fail unlocked instead of fail locked. The list go on with know faults like this that make X11 not suitable for enterprise classes of desktop usage.

[finalzone]

But what about installing GNOME without having XWayland and X.Org as a dependency?
At least on Ubuntu I cannot install GNOME without it pulling in XWayland and X.Org as a dependency.

I want GNOME on Wayland without XWayland even installed on my system.

Find application and library depending on X as a starting point.

[piorunz]

What's the state of Wayland in KDE? Is it even there? I have desktop with KDE but I didn't changed anything, don't want to break things in my work machine, I have xorg there by default.