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  • GNOME In 2020 Saw Many Optimizations, GTK 4.0 Released, GNOME 40 In Development

    Phoronix: GNOME In 2020 Saw Many Optimizations, GTK 4.0 Released, GNOME 40 In Development

    The GNOME desktop environment saw many enhancements in 2020 including a number of significant performance optimizations. While GNOME on Wayland has been solid for some time, there has been further enhancements there too. This year also brought the much anticipated GTK 4.0 toolkit release that will be interesting to see how its adoption goes next year. GNOME 40 is also in development for debut in the spring as the successor to this autumn's successful GNOME 3.38 release...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...020-Highlights

  • #2
    It's still a wreck.
    On a RX 5700 with 8GBs of VRAM I had to scale a wallpaper down to 2560x1440 (native target monitor resolution) to bring VRAM utilization down, and only then noticed less microstuttering in some games, all the rest being equal. Default Pop!_OS wallpapers go up to 4K and GNOME then stores them in VRAM at their original resolution, uncompressed, using 32 bits per pixel. No wonder it is totally unusable on low-end hardware with integrated graphics (tablets, cheap laptops...).

    Its only saving grace is its *current* metaphor, which is quite efficient and non-intrusive.
    But oh my, I guess a *minuscule* test group presumably made of mac-heads didn't like it, so it's going in the garbage bin forever. Or until an extension brings the current activities overview and the vertical workspace selector back.

    The only horrendous thing with the current design has always been the app drawer, since its inception. It took them a handful of people in a UX test 10 years later to finally realize that the app grid flipping pages vertically is stupid, as is its spatial model in general (spawning from a corner with a braindead genie lamp animation, lolwut).
    Well, yes, the expectation if a piece of content is vertical is that it *scrolls* and doesn't flip like a page. Or is there an Android app drawer that flips vertically?

    So now everything must be horizontal, I guess. Including the (currently) wonderful workspace selector that lets you find an open window in an instant even if you have five or six workspaces in use. Given the current state of things, improving the desktop metaphor would have been so simple... Just use horizontal space to add more things that can be scrolled vertically. EASY!

    Who cares if it takes mechanically less time and effort to look at something from top to bottom instead of sideways, right? Sure, Apple can get away with such stupid designs by inertia and sex appeal, but not GNOME, no matter how close the Adwaita theme and CSDs try to resemble macOS.

    What's worse, we have to trust such an idiotic decision based on a... blog post... introducing said test for the first time... after the fact. A beacon of openness.
    We normal people with a full time job don't have a proper way to voice our dissent and have our constructive criticism accepted and actually discussed.

    I guess the expectation is that you must be a cretin with a ThinkPad and start churning away at code for free until Red Hat hires you and you become part of the "meritocratic" circlejerk.
    It's become an undefendable institution that doesn't take its userbase seriously, if it ever has.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by chocolate View Post
      It's still a wreck.
      On a RX 5700 with 8GBs of VRAM I had to scale a wallpaper down to 2560x1440 (native target monitor resolution) to bring VRAM utilization down, and only then noticed less microstuttering in some games, all the rest being equal. Default Pop!_OS wallpapers go up to 4K and GNOME then stores them in VRAM at their original resolution, uncompressed, using 32 bits per pixel. No wonder it is totally unusable on low-end hardware with integrated graphics (tablets, cheap laptops...).
      Some context for this, for anyone not aware:
      https://old.reddit.com/r/gnome/comme...our_wallpaper/
      https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1271

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      • #4
        Unfortunately their un-democratic institution enforces their terrible Mac/Android mobile interface on Fedora, even after all the complaints and lost user base.

        It appears redhat has a strong hand in everything because they pay a lot of salaries, so people tend to accept what they are being told to do from their employer. CentOS is a stark example, redhat killed CentOS and didn't bat an eyelid.

        What happened to redhat? what changed and redhat became an enemy to freedom and democracy?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
          Unfortunately their un-democratic institution enforces their terrible Mac/Android mobile interface on Fedora, even after all the complaints and lost user base.
          GNOME Shell was mainly designed with the use of keyboard in mind, touch screen is just a bonus. The interface is clear of clutter and relatively simple to use. Silent majority like GNOME Shell minimal approach allowing to effectively focus on productivity.

          It appears redhat has a strong hand in everything because they pay a lot of salaries, so people tend to accept what they are being told to do from their employer. CentOS is a stark example, redhat killed CentOS and didn't bat an eyelid.
          That is misinformed as the traditional CentOS as a rebuilt Red Hat Entreprise Linux without its trademark and support was doing down way before Red Hat acquisition thus need a re-purpose hence CentOS Stream already used by company like Facebook . Red Hat is a much diversified company whose employees can either create or contribute their projects and need to prove to the executive the rationale (systemd, Flatpak, Wayland among them) while benefiting the entire free and open source ecosystem in the ever constant changing environment. Pragmatism in enterprise environment is the gameplay.

          What happened to redhat? what changed and redhat became an enemy to freedom and democracy?
          It is Red Hat which still provides the source code to rebuild a distribution excluding the trademark. The company still advocates for open source with their legal team while still remain one of the top contributors.

          Back to the topic, GNOME is gaining the long race despite the tremendous negativity related to the communication. Freedom goes both away as the contributions can choose to ignore insulting message and horrible communications. Reporters of bugs and users have their share of responsibility when it comes to address some technical issues.

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          • #6
            I don't know how Gnome could be made anymore complex and convoluted than it already is, but I'm sure a way will be found

            And the same goes for KDE.

            Sane and simple desktops like XFCE forever!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by finalzone View Post
              GNOME Shell was mainly designed with the use of keyboard in mind, touch screen is just a bonus. The interface is clear of clutter and relatively simple to use. Silent majority like GNOME Shell minimal approach allowing to effectively focus on productivity.
              Do they really though? What percentage of users are using vanilla GNOME Shell? What percentage have Dash to Dock or Dash to Panel installed? Why does Ubuntu feel the need to add the dock and AppIndicator for system tray icons?

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              • #8
                Let me guess, that is a copy/paste from GNOME marketing material? that is a lot of garbage in one paragraph.

                The truth is really painful, when Fedora switched to gnome 3, it lost almost all its user base. If it wasn't for Fedora Spins with alternative desktops, Fedora would have been a footnote in the history of linux distros. Fedora's user base never really recovered, gnome 3 and its terrible user interface made a lot of damage.

                Gnome 3 still causes so much division even after so many years, but GNOME devs still refuse to acknowledge reality. Their inability to accept reality (or maybe their egos) prevents them from making GNOME a friendly and more usable desktop.

                Sad really...


                Originally posted by finalzone View Post
                GNOME Shell was mainly designed with the use of keyboard in mind, touch screen is just a bonus. The interface is clear of clutter and relatively simple to use. Silent majority like GNOME Shell minimal approach allowing to effectively focus on productivity.

                Back to the topic, GNOME is gaining the long race despite the tremendous negativity related to the communication. Freedom goes both away as the contributions can choose to ignore insulting message and horrible communications. Reporters of bugs and users have their share of responsibility when it comes to address some technical issues.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
                  Let me guess, that is a copy/paste from GNOME marketing material? that is a lot of garbage in one paragraph.

                  The truth is really painful, when Fedora switched to gnome 3, it lost almost all its user base. If it wasn't for Fedora Spins with alternative desktops, Fedora would have been a footnote in the history of linux distros. Fedora's user base never really recovered, gnome 3 and its terrible user interface made a lot of damage.

                  Gnome 3 still causes so much division even after so many years, but GNOME devs still refuse to acknowledge reality. Their inability to accept reality (or maybe their egos) prevents them from making GNOME a friendly and more usable desktop.

                  Sad really...



                  Only a tiny tiny fragment of fedora users use the spins.
                  Gnome even has a respectable first or second place in usage on distros that do not come with a installer like Gentoo or Arch.

                  I guess the only sad thing is that you cant accept reality. Even I accepted that Gnome is a fine shell after nearly 10 years of Xfce simping and hating gnome due to the same bullshit feelings you have right now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
                    Unfortunately their un-democratic institution enforces their
                    They dont listen to my BS? I think my opinion is the majority! What a un-democratic dictatorship!

                    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
                    terrible Mac/Android mobile interface on Fedora, even after all the complaints and lost user base.
                    Android and Mac? They share nothing, not even a single speck of UX.

                    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
                    It appears redhat has a strong hand in everything because they pay a lot of salaries, so people tend to accept what they are being told to do from their employer. CentOS is a stark example, redhat killed CentOS and didn't bat an eyelid.

                    What happened to redhat? what changed and redhat became an enemy to freedom and democracy?
                    Bla Bla Bla Bla

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