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KDE Saw Its Wayland Support Stabilize Nicely In 2020, Much Polishing Throughout
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Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
That depends on who you ask, but PlasmaBigscreen is effectivly just a friendly shell based on plasma nano, so you can install it on whatever. But the screen tearing on raspberry pi isnt that bad if you use manjaro in my experience
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Originally posted by royce View Post
You do realise X.org is already deprecated and on life support don't you? In fact the only significant developer time on X is being spent on Xwayland. There's no future on X11.
In any case, forking kwin to a x11-only version won't delete it from the internet and suddenly make it unavailable.
EDIT: It's like an old car that needs repaired, but instead it was traded in for heely's. It was traded in for something totally inadequate in almost every possibly imaginable metric.
There's a reason why developing compositing for X11 was hard and it's the same reason why desktop environment devs have taken thirteen years to accomplish the barest minimum possible... Meanwhile X11 has been -abandoned- yet still works for almost all people and Wayland has nearly complete developer attention and works for almost no people.
EDIT: Is this the twilight zone? Since when did abandoning a feature complete framework for one that will never be capable of the same features become a good idea?Last edited by duby229; 30 December 2020, 08:02 PM.
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Originally posted by royce View PostYou do realise X.org is already deprecated and on life support don't you? In fact the only significant developer time on X is being spent on Xwayland. There's no future on X11.
Originally posted by royce View PostIn any case, forking kwin to a x11-only version won't delete it from the internet and suddenly make it unavailable.
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Originally posted by Nth_man View Postand anyone can contribute: https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved
So you see, not anyone can contribute, but only those that can program C++ or QML.Last edited by bug77; 31 December 2020, 09:33 AM.
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I think the longer people keep pushing for Wayland the worse off Linux on the Desktop will be. I never said X11 doesn't need replaced, I just said Wayland isn't the one. I really don't think it's possible to replace X11 with Wayland for a vast majority of use cases. Gnome Wayland is useful for single purpose interfaces and I think that's about as far as any desktop environment will ever be capable of achieving with Wayland.
It's waaay past time for somebody to think up a better paradigm....
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Notwithstanding the current bugs, I find my desktop so much more fluid in Wayland than under X. It's probably not something that you could show in any benchmark or quantify, but somehow just pressing a button and seeing it respond/animate feels more solid.
Perhaps it's because I'm from a OS-X background where every window was double-buffered, but having everything so responsive, and menus appear instantly following a mouse click is a definite upgrade compared to X.
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostI think the longer people keep pushing for Wayland the worse off Linux on the Desktop will be. I never said X11 doesn't need replaced, I just said Wayland isn't the one. I really don't think it's possible to replace X11 with Wayland for a vast majority of use cases. Gnome Wayland is useful for single purpose interfaces and I think that's about as far as any desktop environment will ever be capable of achieving with Wayland.
It's waaay past time for somebody to think up a better paradigm....
But I'm with you, coming up with a new protocol and getting rid of the client/server architecture at the same time is a surefire way to worlds of pain. Which is what we're witnessing right now. Coming up with a new paradigm is easy (you can probably find a dozen of those in the academia without even trying too hard). Getting DEs to implement support for that, on the other hand...
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Originally posted by tornado99 View PostNotwithstanding the current bugs, I find my desktop so much more fluid in Wayland than under X. It's probably not something that you could show in any benchmark or quantify, but somehow just pressing a button and seeing it respond/animate feels more solid.
Perhaps it's because I'm from a OS-X background where every window was double-buffered, but having everything so responsive, and menus appear instantly following a mouse click is a definite upgrade compared to X.
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Originally posted by bug77 View Post
> and anyone can contribute: https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved
So you see, not anyone can contribute, but only those that can program C++ or QML.
There is a recent Wired article where it's written The open source movement runs on the heroic efforts of not enough people doing too much work. They need help.
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