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  • #11
    Originally posted by bug77 View Post
    It's great we can show the format, but who produces AVIF images right now?
    You can produce AVIF images with GIMP, since version 2.10.22 (blog post).

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    • #12
      found a great write up here
      https://jakearchibald.com/2020/avif-has-landed/

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      • #13
        Firefox dragging ass as usual. Finally getting their shit together.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by birdie View Post
          That's weird. They dragged on with WebP support for five years before finally enabling it, now with AV1F they are almost rushing.
          Mozilla Corp wouldn't know how to rush anything. It's slow as molasses with them.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by AmericanLocomotive View Post
            Google doesn't even support WebP across all of their own products yet. You can't import WebP images into Google Slides, for example.
            Google doesn't have to support WebP across all of its products, just the most important ones. I didn't even know anyone uses Google Slides, are you also using Google+?

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            • #16
              Originally posted by cl333r View Post
              are you also using Google+?
              and what's wrong with G+, exactly?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by birdie View Post
                That's weird. They dragged on with WebP support for five years before finally enabling it, now with AV1F they are almost rushing.
                Originally posted by AmericanLocomotive View Post
                Google doesn't even support WebP across all of their own products yet. You can't import WebP images into Google Slides, for example.
                There some differences for Mozilla acceptance between WebP and AVIF:
                1. WebP was a Google lonely project while AV1 derived AVIF included broad participation from codec researchers, hardware companies and content providers.
                2. With AV1 Mozilla/Xiph.org are on board since [Alliance for Open Media](http://aomedia.org/) inception jointly with Google and Cisco.
                3. They did have a sit in the member's pool for defining the governance of AOM and for the AV1 codec.
                4. They could contribute with source code like parts of code imported from Daala video codec.
                5. They could integrate algorithms developed from they research on Daala like [Non-binary Arithmetic Coding](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-te...02#section-2.1), [Deringing Filter/CDEF](https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/06/av...cement-filter/) and [Chroma from Luma](https://docs.google.com/presentation...it?usp=sharing)
                6. They could contribute with AV1 video quality [requirements](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mo...c-requirements) and [evaluation](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8761/) and also with software [infrastructure](https://arewecompressedyet.com).
                Also the codec advantages for WebP was smaller when compared with AVIF:
                1. WebP quality and compression gap wasn't big enough when compared with jpeg. Webp suffered from the success of jpeg.
                2. WebP patent defense scenario was not clear as compared with the AOM strong patent pool.
                3. There wasn't a wave of adoption except from Google and virtually no hardware encoding/decoding.

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                • #18
                  I have thought is that going to be accelrated with the gpu av1 decoder or CPU only? There will be sense with very large ( photo set ) or multilayer photos. Or will be the edit format always be something else?

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by bofh80 View Post
                    the file sizes are pretty shocking.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      You can produce AVIF images with GIMP, since version 2.10.22 (blog post).
                      Not the most widespread source, but ok, asked and answered. Fwiw Darktable also seems to support it.

                      Originally posted by szymon_g View Post
                      and what's wrong with G+, exactly?
                      G+ has been closed for a while. He was implying Google Slides is also a deserted project. I don't do many spreadsheets, but I have long moved all my office needs to Google's online suite.

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