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Mozilla Punts Servo Web Engine Development To The Linux Foundation
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Originally posted by szymon_g View Post1. "puts" not "punts"
2. sadly, on both deskotp (linux) and smartphone edge works way better.
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I noticed a very sharp drop in bugfixes coming in to wayland support in Firefox ever since all those folks were laid off earlier in the year - some bugs are getting fixed, but their velocity has dropped enormously. Very sad state of affairs and I hope Mozilla can recover their vitality soon.
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Originally posted by zoomblab View PostServo gives me the impression that its developers are more focused on working and promoting their own programing ecosystem than making a better browser engine.
If you go to their website you will see straight away Rust as the main selling point. How about selling me on the architecture instead. Do they have a defined architecture document that explains why and how servo is better than lets say gecko or blink?
Also their "programming ecosystem" (i.e. Rust) has a lot more guarantees for memory/security related issues compared to C/C++ which is actually one of the biggest sore points of browsers.
Originally posted by zoomblab View PostThis is where Mozilla has failed utterly. They are spending their time on stuff that appeal maybe to geeks all the while Chrome took over the browser engine kingdom focusing on what matters.
Servo was one of the legitimate research projects because it was their way of competing against Chromium, i.e. by creating a modern high performance web engine. This is the reason why Chromium/Chrome was so successful, Google built a web browser engine from scratch that was just so much better than the competition (including Google) and Firefox's servo was Mozilla's response to this.
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Originally posted by hubick View PostServo was Mozilla's future. They needed that tech to avoid losing users long term. Nobody will compare browsers and choose the one which is much slower and less responsive. :facepalm:
Because it has all the right features and can be customized (CSS, about:config) to tailor my use cases perfectly, while Chromium-based browsers have little to no customization possible and are a pain in the butt to use. But a fast pain in the butt, sure.
For now, these elements still compensate for the slower loading and responsiveness..Last edited by Mez'; 18 November 2020, 08:04 AM.
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postlol. such as handegg or football
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Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post
No thats not why Mozilla failed, Mozilla failed because they are almost completely reliant on income from the web search deal with Google and their attempts to move away from this by releasing have ass'ed product offshets have flopped.
Don't get me wrong, Mozilla made a lot of dumb mistakes along the way. Paying the CEO of a non-profit millions while they hemorrhage marketshare is obnoxious and unforgivable. But their attempts to escape Google's control have flopped and to be fair I can't think of anything they could have done that would have worked better.
Incidentally, before anyone else brings it up again - diversity initiatives aren't the problem. Mozilla's participation in "Outreachy" employed 20 interns per year. Their last demographics report before their recent layoffs stated that the full time employers were 70% white and 70% non trans men, and even more whites and men were in leadership roles.
Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostServo was one of the legitimate research projects because it was their way of competing against Chromium, i.e. by creating a modern high performance web engine. This is the reason why Chromium/Chrome was so successful, Google built a web browser engine from scratch that was just so much better than the competition (including Google) and Firefox's servo was Mozilla's response to this.
Otherwise I think you got it right. Even with its 50-100 million dollar, or whatever, annual budget Mozilla couldn't afford to put nearly the efforts into Firefox that Google could throw at Chromium and Chrome. It's astonishing they've done as well as they have.
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Originally posted by Michael_S View Post?? Google didn't have its own browser before Chromium/Chrome.
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