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  • CommunityMember
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    Originally posted by Michael_S View Post
    Agreed. The core problem is that Google was funding Mozilla, and so Mozilla is stuck - implement anything that truly hurts Google, and Google would cut them off.
    From the preso talking about the revenue Mozilla will receive, it would appear that Google does not need to "cut them off", as the revenue to Mozilla is dependent on the ad income Google receives, and the ad income depends (to a large extent) on the ability correlate the searches to actual sales, which, of course, is somewhat antithetic to some of what Mozilla has been trying to accomplish with their isolations. I would suspect that internally there were interesting debates about cutting off ones nose to spite their face.

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  • NateHubbard
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    Originally posted by Alliancemd View Post
    Looking at the repo, there is a sudden drop in commits since September...
    This is not good for Servo...
    But is it worse off than at the new and ever smaller Mozilla? Maybe Servo at least has some sort of future now, which I wouldn't count on being the case for Mozilla itself.

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  • Alliancemd
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    Looking at the repo, there is a sudden drop in commits since September...
    This is not good for Servo...

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  • S.Pam
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    Originally posted by villeneuve View Post
    You can add CardDAV support via the awesome addon CardBook. Highly recommended even if you don't even need CardDAV support since it's so much better than Thunderbird's own stoneage address book.
    Yea, It is what I am using. Kind of annoying as it breaks now and then when Thunderbird updates.

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  • Warmongering Beaver
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    Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post

    This is the reason why Chromium/Chrome was so successful, Google built a web browser engine from scratch that was just so much better than the competition (including Google) and Firefox's servo was Mozilla's response to this.
    This is false. From Wikipedia:
    Blink is a fork of the WebCore component of WebKit, which was originally a fork of the KHTML and KJS libraries from KDE.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by Hibbelharry View Post


    Thats as simple as it can be: The web is replaced every few years.
    What do you mean? Web 2.0 is quite old at this point and Web 3.0 hasn't arrived yet. So no, it doesn't get replaced every few years. What you're talking about is other stuff that keeps advancing, like WebRTC, WebAssembly, etc., i.e. technology that's not part of Web 2.0 or 3.0.

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  • villeneuve
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    I don't mean all us IT freaks but the general public when I say: people began using Chrome because Google forced it on them by installing it adware-style including setting it as default browser malware-style when people were installing Google Earth, Picasa, SketchUp and co. Additional users were gained by advertising Chrome as best for Gmail & the ability to sync across devices. And since Chrome just did what the noob users needed and was fast doing so (at least feeling snappy with minimum amount of tabs open) they never bothered to switch back to their old browser or never even took notice about the change.
    Personally I just can't work with Chrome/Chromium, it's awful.

    I also think Mozilla couldn't develop Firefox further without Google. It would just need to slim down to it's core business and scrap their commercial arm which proved to be a epic fail from an enduser perspective.

    Originally posted by Spam View Post

    I thought that Thunderbird would have new air under its wings. But to date the ui is a huge mess with buttons and menu options scattered all over.

    And STILL no CardDAV support ... I still use it because not much better exists on Windows .
    You can add CardDAV support via the awesome addon CardBook. Highly recommended even if you don't even need CardDAV support since it's so much better than Thunderbird's own stoneage address book.
    Last edited by villeneuve; 18 November 2020, 10:56 AM.

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  • Linuxhippy
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    sounds a lot like the beancounters at mozilla made their descision - better their chair than ours.
    it really hurts to see mozilla steered by such a really horrible management.

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  • mdedetrich
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    Originally posted by Michael_S View Post
    ?? Google didn't have its own browser before Chromium/Chrome.
    This was a typo, I was trying to say that the reason why Google was so successful is because Chromium/Chrome was built from scratch and hence was much better than any other competition out there.

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  • Michael_S
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    Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post

    No thats not why Mozilla failed, Mozilla failed because they are almost completely reliant on income from the web search deal with Google and their attempts to move away from this by releasing have ass'ed product offshets have flopped.
    Agreed. The core problem is that Google was funding Mozilla, and so Mozilla is stuck - implement anything that truly hurts Google, and Google would cut them off. Their demo publicity for the "multi-account containers" feature that lets you isolate individual tabs from each other used Facebook as an example. It could, and should, have also used Google as an example.

    Don't get me wrong, Mozilla made a lot of dumb mistakes along the way. Paying the CEO of a non-profit millions while they hemorrhage marketshare is obnoxious and unforgivable. But their attempts to escape Google's control have flopped and to be fair I can't think of anything they could have done that would have worked better.

    Incidentally, before anyone else brings it up again - diversity initiatives aren't the problem. Mozilla's participation in "Outreachy" employed 20 interns per year. Their last demographics report before their recent layoffs stated that the full time employers were 70% white and 70% non trans men, and even more whites and men were in leadership roles.

    Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post
    Servo was one of the legitimate research projects because it was their way of competing against Chromium, i.e. by creating a modern high performance web engine. This is the reason why Chromium/Chrome was so successful, Google built a web browser engine from scratch that was just so much better than the competition (including Google) and Firefox's servo was Mozilla's response to this.
    ?? Google didn't have its own browser before Chromium/Chrome.

    Otherwise I think you got it right. Even with its 50-100 million dollar, or whatever, annual budget Mozilla couldn't afford to put nearly the efforts into Firefox that Google could throw at Chromium and Chrome. It's astonishing they've done as well as they have.

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