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GNOME's Mutter Adds Support For Launching "Trusted Clients" On Wayland
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I still don’t get in which regard this is a better approach than wlroots‘ layer-shell protocol
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Originally posted by uid313 View PostTrusted by whom?
Is this for applications to be trusted by me that they are secure and don't betray me and protect me and my system?
Or this for the system to be trusted by the application developer to keep me away?
Is this to prevent me from taking screenshots or doing video capture?
No, it is not to prevent screenshots or svreen recording. Ugh uid why do you
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It is surprising how little people here seem to actually read the article.
Wayland is very specific on how windows can controls their size, shape and position(also top or bottom position layers), they can't. They have to talk with the compositor and he will control that for the application. This MR is just the mechanism on how this should be handled in Gnome. A Trusted task is a task that has the ability to request to be on bottom and may act as desktop icons or be on top and may work like a dock.
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Originally posted by frank007I think the time for a much better and completely free GUI libs is passed. We all are now slave to the gtk+/- libs.
Remember, Wayland is just a protocol (so useless on its own). So you in effect have tied yourself down to Gnome3/Wayland. So it is hardly a surprise you are now a "slave to Gtk+". It is like saying that you want to use "Modern" Win32. You will be a slave to Metro.
In short... Don't choose incorrectly and you will be fine
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Originally posted by horizonbrave View PostI didn't understand a thing in the article but all this talking about child windows makes me wonder if there's a case for updating the COC regarding the use of the "child" wording
That said, I wouldn't mind if someone changed the OOM killer of Linux kernel to stop saying things like "sacrifice child"
Code:Out of memory: Kill process 7429 (java) score 259 or sacrifice child
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Originally posted by Danny3 View PostIt wouldn't surprise me at all if we see some crap from Canonical like something wrapped in Snap trusted by default.
Originally posted by Danny3 View PostI would metaphorically throw my computer out of the window if I'm recording my desktop for some tutorial to show others how to to something and all of a sudden a trusted app opens up and breaks that.
Originally posted by Danny3 View PostNo program on my computer does the "My way or the highway with me" !
Why are there so many things that still can't be implemented on Wayland, like xdotool? Because Wayland compositor developers have taken the stance that, until they've written a new API that keeps the user in control, users who need those programs can stay on X11.
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Originally posted by uid313 View PostTrusted by whom?
Is this for applications to be trusted by me that they are secure and don't betray me and protect me and my system?
Or this for the system to be trusted by the application developer to keep me away?
Is this to prevent me from taking screenshots or doing video capture?
Currently only Gnome Shell extensions have those window privileges.
I hope this explains better what this patch is about.
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I didn't understand a thing in the article but all this talking about child windows makes me wonder if there's a case for updating the COC regarding the use of the "child" wording
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Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
Every program is pretty much allowed to do anything, no boundaries, no limits, no permission asking.
I had to put a tape on the webcam because there absolutely nothing to protect my privacy from the programs who want to access it without my permissions.
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Originally posted by uid313 View PostTrusted by whom?
Is this for applications to be trusted by me that they are secure and don't betray me and protect me and my system?
Or this for the system to be trusted by the application developer to keep me away?
Is this to prevent me from taking screenshots or doing video capture?
I wanted to ask the same for the first question!
It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see some crap from Canonical like something wrapped in Snap trusted by default.
Or some internet giants like Netflix does their own app which will be trusted and you, as the user will be untrusted, even though you're the owner of the computer.
I would metaphorically throw my computer out of the window if I'm recording my desktop for some tutorial to show others how to to something and all of a sudden a trusted app opens up and breaks that.
While the computer will be out only metaphorically, the desktop environment who allows this will go to trash bin immediately.
No program on my computer does the "My way or the highway with me" !
In any case high level security on the Linux desktop is nothing more than a complete joke.
Every program is pretty much allowed to do anything, no boundaries, no limits, no permission asking.
I had to put a tape on the webcam because there absolutely nothing to protect my privacy from the programs who want to access it without my permissions.
This "trust everything" is defnitely good, but also making programs trusted by anyone other than the user of the computer.
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