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  • #21
    Originally posted by bug77 View Post

    Will you stop this CLA hate already? It's getting beyond tiresome.
    There is nothing evil (or even benign) about CLA. Every project is governed by a license, CLA is just one type among many.
    I'm gonna agree with 144Hz on the rare occasion that CLAs are bad. They're a one-foot in, one foot out approach to open source development as they allow a company to relicense the project to a closed license and keep future versions non-free. They let a company can claim ownership of an open source project.

    There are some exceptions, the FSFs CLA allows them to relicense to future versions of GPL and is optional, and the Qt CLA has a requirement that the Qt company open source their changes or the entire thing gets relicensed to MIT.

    The Canonical one, however just lets Canonical relicense the project in the future, which puts other companes and individuals off contributing, you don't see Red Hat requiring a CLA and Red Hat is opposed to them. Canonical/Mark Shuttleworth have even spent money trying to advertise that they're a good thing.
    Last edited by Britoid; 04-07-2020, 11:14 AM.


    • #22
      Sadly Firefox is still noticeably slower than Chromium based browsers. Even Chromium based Edge recently surpassed Firefox in user share, Mozilla needs to do something about the performance gap and do it quickly.


      • #23
        Britoid FSF asks for copyright assignment, not CLA. Different thing, different motivation.


        • #24
          Originally posted by 144Hz View Post
          andre30correia Kudos to any company who can make profit on doing the right thing.

          Facts about Red Hat:
          1) Red Hat are the largest contributor to Linux and Linux desktop.
          2) Red Hat offers jobs and career opportunities all the way from entry level jobs to principal positions. Stuff like Wayland and systemd requires decade of experience.
          3) Red Hat uses its market dominance to fight unethical CLA. If companies like Canonical or Qt had that position then they would exploit it.
          you quote me twice about this defending RedHat, are you paid for them? Or IBM?


          • #25
            Originally posted by andyprough View Post

            When was the last time you paid for a web browser? I'm going to guess never. I'm actually old enough to have paid for one. You pay by being the product. You are thanking people for making money off your on-line activity.
            Blah blah blah. Martin is not a Mozilla employee and he is not getting paid by mozilla adverts for his Wayland work. so you are not "the product" in this case. Martin's work is simply to allow Mozilla to work better on Wayland, and this has nothing to do with Mozilla's other activities. I am not thanking Mozilla, i am thanking Martin Stransky specifically. There is a difference. I am not even using a Red Hat distro so i am not paying him through Red Hat either.

            Seriously, you don't want to thank him for his work, it is ok, but going against people who do means you have serious issues.


            • #26
              Originally posted by andre30correia View Post

              you quote me twice about this defending RedHat, are you paid for them? Or IBM?
              He wouldn't be the first one paid by Red Hat, like AdamW (he even showed it), who also spread falsehoods like "desktops like KDE that have a button for everything":


              • #27
                Way better than Firefox of the Fedora flatpak repository, which pulls in the 596 MB F32 runtime for whatever reason…


                • #28
                  I hope they work on making the video hardware decoding work on non-Wayland also.
                  As much as I want to use Wayland on KDE Plasma, it' still buggy and I think it will still need months or most likely years to improve.


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Cerberus View Post
                    Sadly Firefox is still noticeably slower than Chromium based browsers.
                    I don't think thats true in every usecase. I, being a heavy user of browser tabs, can't use Chrome due to its slowness. Whenever you've a bigger amount of tabs openend Chrome at first kills your RAM, then your cpu cycles. I noticed chrome being slower on some other occasions. Chrome is fast as long as you don't really use it.

                    It's not all about synthetic benchmarks, it's more about user experience.

                    On the other side: Firefox has accumulated quite some features chrome doesn't have to offer...


                    • #30

                      One of the issue with Spectre/Meltdown was it could be exploited even with a browser. Using Firefox through Flatpak can prevent any Spectre/Meltdown attack? Hence, since the moment a personal computer is mostly exposed on the web because the browser, you can disable all the mitigation and regain your performance? Is my assumption correct?