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    sdack
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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    because you are looking at x11(xwayland) instead of wayland. smartphones are using wayland since 2013, how do x11 smartphones fare?
    dxvk isn't a protocol. relevant protocols are dx11 and vulkan. so, how many years and developers did it take? and btw dxvk doesn't work without wine, so you could add it too
    We are looking at the Phoronix results should you not have noticed. Wayland has not yet delivered on its promise to provide a faster X11 implementation. There isn't anything to discuss, because it's obvious to see from the benchmarks, but there is plenty of room for excuses of course. Excuses is all we get now, but that's not what people want.

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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by Mario Junior View Post

    Are you retard? Nobody plays a fucking competitive game locked at 60 frames. Stop talking shit!
    Don't mind him too much, he's just stupid. He has no clue that every other display protocol except for wayland syncs output on input and that 60fps isn't a high enough input resolution. These fools think that a 50ms+ lag is ok just cause they don't notice it ...
    duby229
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    Last edited by duby229; 31 March 2020, 12:08 PM.

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  • Mario Junior
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  • Mario Junior
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    lol. that's self-inflicted pain. you are deliberately making your game produce frames nobody can see because monitor is not fast enough. why do you do such stupid things to yourself?
    Are you retard? Nobody plays a fucking competitive game locked at 60 frames. Stop talking shit!

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  • pal666
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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by MrRtd View Post
    Are there any Wayland-native games? And if there are any, do people actually play them?
    sdl is wayland-native, so any sdl game which doesn't link to x11 itself

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  • pal666
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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    Anyway regardless of whether or not you personally notice it, it's most definitely there for certain
    if it's there on your system but not on other systems then it's your fault
    pal666
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    Last edited by pal666; 31 March 2020, 03:13 PM.

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  • MrRtd
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  • MrRtd
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    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

    The games use X11. XWayland is used to run them on the Wayland session.

    I wish Michael could test with Wayland-native games...
    Are there any Wayland-native games? And if there are any, do people actually play them?

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  • pal666
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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by Mario Junior View Post
    I talking about GAMES. Try to play TF2 with a AMD GPU (mine is the RX570) using Wayland and see the disaster. Don't forget to disable vsync.
    lol. that's self-inflicted pain. you are deliberately making your game produce frames nobody can see because monitor is not fast enough. why do you do such stupid things to yourself?

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  • Girolamo_Cavazzoni
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    Damn forum software... double post.

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  • pal666
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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    Fact is when X11 was exactly as old as wayland is -RIGHT NOW- xorg was already forked from xfree86 and heavily developed
    fact is, wayland is 12 years old, it started in 2008. xorg forked after license change in 2004, 17 years after x11 and 20 years after x started. fact is, you are pathetic liar
    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    Need I keep going? I can keep laying facts down
    you can keep lying, but it will not change reality

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  • MrCooper
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  • MrCooper
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    Originally posted by Mario Junior View Post

    Try to play TF2 with a AMD GPU (mine is the RX570) using Wayland and see the disaster. Don't forget to disable vsync.
    FWIW, disabling sync-to-vblank is likely the problem here, and fullscreen unredirect (direct scanout of client buffers) should help. (The same issue should affect Xorg as well with page flipping disabled, apart from the HW cursor maybe)

    The issue is that an unthrottled client can starve the display server's GPU work, causing the compositor's frames to be delayed. Fixing this will be surprisingly tricky and require the kernel and Mesa drivers to provide a way for the compositor's work to be prioritized and finish ahead of the client's GPU work, even if the GPU has already started processing the latter.

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