Chrome 80 Against Firefox 74/75 Performance On Linux

[vegabook]

None of this really matters until Firefox can render video at anything like the performance of Chrom(e|ium). On regular x86 firefox is fine (though hogs CPU), but try watching any video on a RPI or even a Jetson (right up to TX2, not just Nano), and it's just. rubbish. Arguably up to half of web content is now delivered via video so Firefox needs to solve this before doing anything else.

More generally, to avoid JVM-ization of the web, through Chrome running away with it, we need to acknowledge that web standards are a public good, that they therefore deserve tax dollars. Firefox should probably be federally funded.

[andyprough]

More generally, to avoid JVM-ization of the web, through Chrome running away with it, we need to acknowledge that web standards are a public good, that they therefore deserve tax dollars. Firefox should probably be federally funded.

Many years, Mozilla has gotten more money from Google for helping Google sling ads than it could spend on Firefox. Lack of funding is not their issue. If they do run out of money, it's just pure mismanagement.

So, no thank you on the "new taxes to bail out the web browsing [advertising] companies" idea.

[birdie]

In comparison to Windows problems it's nothing.

I've had zero problems with W10 Enterprise LTSC and it's been rock solid so far. My friends are happy as well. Meanwhile most people's laptop battery life under Linux is pathetic since neither Chrome, nor Firefox support HW accelerated video decoding and general 2D performance is often lacking. Yeah, please quote imaginary Windows "privacy" issues (not proven by anyone yet) while basic desktop features in Linux are just not yet there, 30 freaking years after its inception. I mean Windows, as we know it, was first released in 1995 and by Windows XP (2001) it was near perfect (supported everything under the Sun, had all the features for all walks of life). That's less than 10 years. I do understand that Microsoft had its monopoly and tons of resources but VDPAU was released around 2008, VA-API was released shortly after, i.e. 12 freaking years ago. Yeah, let's talk about Windows issues.

[deusexmachina]

Would love to see some Linux optimization contributions for Pale Moon & ungoogled-chromium.

[starshipeleven]

If Mozilla weren't so greedy and busy to add data collection features and nagging people about them, maybe they would've had more time to work on performance which really matters.

they need telemetry to know where performance really matters. It isn't as simple as "make it all go fast".

Also Linux is not anywhere near a priority and it's understandable.

[starshipeleven]

Firefox should probably be federally funded.

Please keep politics out of Firefox

[starshipeleven]

I've had zero problems with W10 Enterprise LTSC

No duh, it's Windows 10 16xx LTS, and it's also not sold to consumers, you filthy pirate.

My friends are happy as well.

You filthy pirates.

Yeah, please quote imaginary Windows "privacy" issues (not proven by anyone yet)

Directly from their Privacy Policy (that obviously you didn't read):
We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.

[Xaero_Vincent]

I've had zero problems with W10 Enterprise LTSC and it's been rock solid so far. My friends are happy as well. Meanwhile most people's laptop battery life under Linux is pathetic since neither Chrome, nor Firefox support HW accelerated video decoding and general 2D performance is often lacking. Yeah, please quote imaginary Windows "privacy" issues (not proven by anyone yet) while basic desktop features in Linux are just not yet there, 30 freaking years after its inception. I mean Windows, as we know it, was first released in 1995 and by Windows XP (2001) it was near perfect (supported everything under the Sun, had all the features for all walks of life). That's less than 10 years. I do understand that Microsoft had its monopoly and tons of resources but VDPAU was released around 2008, VA-API was released shortly after, i.e. 12 freaking years ago. Yeah, let's talk about Windows issues.

Thanks man! Your critical post prompted me to switch to 'chromium-vaapi' from chromium on Linux.

4K 60 FPS video on Youtube went from 25-50% CPU usage to less than 5% and cooling fans no longer revving up really loud on laptop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ

[starshipeleven]

Thanks man! Your critical post prompted me to switch to 'chromium-vaapi' from chromium on Linux.

4K 60 FPS video on Youtube went from 25-50% CPU usage to less than 5% and cooling fans no longer revving up really loud on laptop:

Eh, I've been using it for a while on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (where the chromium is patched to be able to use HW accel) and it's like 25% of the videos and many livestreams are psychedelic colors and light shows.

Wish you better luck than me.

[Volta]

I've had zero problems with W10 Enterprise LTSC and it's been rock solid so far. My friends are happy as well. Meanwhile most people's laptop battery life under Linux is pathetic since neither Chrome, nor Firefox support HW accelerated video decoding and general 2D performance is often lacking. Yeah, please quote imaginary Windows "privacy" issues (not proven by anyone yet) while basic desktop features in Linux are just not yet there, 30 freaking years after its inception. I mean Windows, as we know it, was first released in 1995 and by Windows XP (2001) it was near perfect (supported everything under the Sun, had all the features for all walks of life). That's less than 10 years. I do understand that Microsoft had its monopoly and tons of resources but VDPAU was released around 2008, VA-API was released shortly after, i.e. 12 freaking years ago. Yeah, let's talk about Windows issues.

Windows XP was utter crap. It didn't support a thing out of the box, it was BSOD hell for long time and it was probably the most vulnerable OS in existence. Oh and 3GB RAM support. Thanks. Windows 10 is very far from perfect. Linux beats the shit out of it. I had to erase entire disk to install this mess, because it's too dumb to install on partitions made by.. itself! Yep, I had to use windows cmd tricks to install it. Its USB support is unholy mess which is probably one of the reasons it didn't want to install. Then it restarted hundreds of times during updates, it still doesn't recognize wireless gamepad and it's slow.

Windows 10 doesn't spy? M$ says it does:

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

Microsoft collects data from you, through our interactions with you and through our products. You provide some of this data directly, and we get some of it by collecting data about your interactions, use, and experiences with our products. The data we collect depends on the context of your interactions with Microsoft and the choices you make, including your privacy settings and the products and features you use. We also obtain data about you from third parties.

It seems they modified their privacy statement, because five years ago it was different:

https://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/

Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to: 1.comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies; 2.protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone; 3.operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or 4.protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services – however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer’s private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement.