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  • #11
    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Did an rpm-ostree upgrade to it last night myself. Thanks to my trick of manually installing RPMFusion everything went smoothly.

    My trick is to create a toolbox, add RPMFusion to that toolbox, then copy/paste /etc/yum.repos.d/**rpmfusion repos** to ~/repos, copy/paste /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/**rpmfusion keys** to ~/keys, exit the toolbox, and then copy/paste that stuff right back to /etc/**where it was from** so it goes to the system folders and not the toolbox overlay.

    Boom -- RPMFusion and RPMFusion layered packages survive the rebase. It's a PITA, but it's much better than having to run reverts and whatnot with all the reboots on a Silverblue desktop.
    You could also grab the rpmfusion rpms and just extract the files in them to the relevant places (that's how I do it).

    There's an open issue on the rpm-ostree project about this though.

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    • #12
      Evolution... gnome music... gosh.. people still live in the past apparently. Are you still using CD burners too? guess the only -barely- justifiable app is now video players, even though online streaming is clearly taking over weird GBs of offline movies..

      the cloud has taken over. get over it. also, even if you are a privacy crazy person, and you still have "large" collections of MP3 and weird old-school mail protocols, then lucky you, because reality is, most enterprise uses Office's exchange, teams, skype, slack and all other sorts of communication systems that are commercial... and for music, what's wrong with Spotify? it's cheap and it works offline.

      So, guess that 95% population of linux (which clearly is not phoronix readers and of which is just 5% of total desktop users) won't care about gnome music, geary or evolution anyways. Mass consumers go for netflix, steam, spotify and they want good ol' office (web if linux) and gmail. The developers I know access everything through a corporate browser and using stable compatible clients.

      I personally prefer a bloat-less distro that works with commercial protocols so I can get on with my life
      Last edited by JeansenVaars; 11 March 2020, 11:31 AM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by DanL View Post
        Why? Does it give users too many options to worry their pretty little heads about?
        Why not? Works for Apple. The Gnome Foundation wants to be a trillion dollar corporation too, you know.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by DanL View Post
          Why? Does it give users too many options to worry their pretty little heads about?
          Yip, it feels pretty KDEish. Too many features crammed into a totally cluttered UI, many of them needed by just a few people, that's just not good enough.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Britoid View Post

            You could also grab the rpmfusion rpms and just extract the files in them to the relevant places (that's how I do it).

            There's an open issue on the rpm-ostree project about this though.
            I'm horrible with extracting stuff from the terminal

            cp or mv, OTHO, is pretty straight forward

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            • #16
              Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
              Evolution... gnome music... gosh.. people still live in the past apparently. Are you still using CD burners too? guess the only -barely- justifiable app is now video players, even though online streaming is clearly taking over weird GBs of offline movies..

              the cloud has taken over. get over it. also, even if you are a privacy crazy person, and you still have "large" collections of MP3 and weird old-school mail protocols, then lucky you, because reality is, most enterprise uses Office's exchange, teams, skype, slack and all other sorts of communication systems that are commercial... and for music, what's wrong with Spotify? it's cheap and it works offline.

              So, guess that 95% population of linux (which clearly is not phoronix readers) won't care abou gnome music, geary or evolution anyways.

              I personally prefer a bloat-less distro that works with commercial protocols so I can get on with my life
              Yeah, give it all to 5-6 major corporations, this will end up well....

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              • #17
                Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
                Evolution... gnome music... gosh.. people still live in the past apparently. Are you still using CD burners too? guess the only -barely- justifiable app is now video players, even though online streaming is clearly taking over weird GBs of offline movies..

                the cloud has taken over. get over it. also, even if you are a privacy crazy person, and you still have "large" collections of MP3 and weird old-school mail protocols, then lucky you, because reality is, most enterprise uses Office's exchange, teams, skype, slack and all other sorts of communication systems that are commercial... and for music, what's wrong with Spotify? it's cheap and it works offline.

                So, guess that 95% population of linux (which clearly is not phoronix readers) won't care abou gnome music, geary or evolution anyways.

                I personally prefer a bloat-less distro that works with commercial protocols so I can get on with my life
                Define large.

                Is 40GB of music large or not? Is 500GB of videos large or not?

                Anyhoo, I live in Redneckistan. The internet isn't reliable in Redneckistan. WiFi isn't guaranteed to be everywhere here. Go over the wrong hill or in the wrong building and you're lucky to get 2G. Streaming services aren't great when that's the case. The microSD card in my phone, OTOH, doesn't require an internet connection.

                Basically, people who don't live in a major metropolitan areas, are poor, or who live in small towns and cities can't rely on "the cloud". All y'all big city cloud users can keep on truckin'. Us little city users are gonna keep on keepin' on with our large music and movie collections.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

                  Define large.

                  Is 40GB of music large or not? Is 500GB of videos large or not?

                  Anyhoo, I live in Redneckistan.
                  Yes, because in Redneckistan people is installing weird linux distributions and niche imap-only email clients with weird non-commercial codec-incompatible music players... come now

                  EDIT: just trying to be realistic and statistical, not trying to offend anyone. I myself am from south america and it's a life saver that netflix, steam and spotify adjust to local currencies
                  Last edited by JeansenVaars; 11 March 2020, 11:28 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post

                    Yes, because in Redneckistan people is installing weird linux distributions and niche imap-only email clients with weird non-commercial codec-incompatible music players... come now

                    EDIT: just trying to be realistic and statistical, not trying to offend anyone. I myself am from south america and it's a life saver that netflix, steam and spotify adjust to local currencies
                    You'd be surprised.

                    I'd also like to add that "3rd world" countries and whatnot don't have good and proper internet. A full-bloat distribution is better for those people because all they need is a USB stick to share with each other...like what people in N. Korea already do for everything...probably very common in parts of Africa and the Middle East too.

                    3rd world is in quotes because I know WTF the UN (1st world) and Warsaw Pact (2nd world) are.

                    I'm just saying that people need to quit assuming that the internet is this always on, always available service. As one gets farther and farther from large, metropolitan areas, damn-near regardless of what country they're in, the internet becomes more and more a luxury than it is a right, an entitlement, or basic, common, and available service like one assumes that gas/water/electricity are. Get to some places, even in America, and dial-up and land lines are still considered luxury services. They, meaning the TelCos, don't want to invest in infrastructure and lines because they consider wireless 3G to be good enough for people.

                    The minimalist movement in operating systems and software isn't helping anything.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

                      I'd also like to add that "3rd world" countries and whatnot don't have good and proper internet.
                      For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

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