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  • #21
    Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
    Microsoft Office is dominating because of Outlook and Activesync support. Until there's a good Outlook and/or Activesync killer that's free or cheap, then Microsoft Office will reign.
    Wrong, it is dominating because LibreOffice breaks formatting of many Microsoft Office documents and makes it impossible to collaborate with individuals and companies who create documents in Microsoft Office.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Cerberus View Post

      Wrong, it is dominating because LibreOffice breaks formatting of many Microsoft Office documents and makes it impossible to collaborate with individuals and companies who create documents in Microsoft Office.
      I used to have a lot of problems with LibreOffice having that issue. In the last year or so though, it's worked perfectly for me. I can't tell the difference in going between the two. I don't know if it's just me, but it's clearly getting a lot better. Every one I've ever worked with uses Google Docs for collaboration. Even all my clients use Google Docs and they have Office 365 and I've offered to help them learn to use it for collaboration.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Britoid View Post

        None of those are open source, except OnlyOffice.
        If you're currently using Windows with MS Office then that's probably not *the* major blocker argument
        wps office and only office are available as flatpaks on flathub so at least can get somewhat/increasingly sandboxed in case you don't want to trust them with messing around your system (but AFAIK both don't have native Wayland support yet, which is needed for real sandboxing).

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        • #24
          Originally posted by JeansenVaars View Post
          Libre is sooo behind office. Its sad but I wish Libre got the resources it requires to make it competitive. There's not a slight chance it can compete with ms word or power point, lack of features, templates and even this decade's appearance.

          Its blocking my family to moving to Linux actually. They just need office and work with files other people send as docx , pptx etc
          I'm confused because I have used Libre Office to work with docx and even save as docx. Perhaps, because its not Office, I doubt it will 100% do everything.

          More importantly, you will never get away from Office until everyone you deal with abandons it. Its much like Gimp VS Photoshop where if you do graphic design for work, no one expects you to use anything other than Photoshop. Until that changes, you will not be using Libre. Your only alternative is to then move to Linux and either VM Windows for Office, use Office online, or see if it works with Wine. If you can't do any of those then you might as well forget Linux exists for that situation.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by treba View Post

            You might want to give wps Office, only office or free office a try. Libreoffice is not the only one out there (although my personal preference, even though it doesn't look as shiny).
            I wish WPS and FreeOffice/SoftMaker Office had a baby, as I like WPS's more modern ribbon better than the older ribbon in Free/Soft (still better than endless menus though!), but I like the robustness of Free/Soft better: it's more stable and a lot less buggy.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
              (bla bla)
              Thanks for confirming what I said.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                Thanks for confirming what I said.
                All I did was confirm that it really doesn't matter what office suite I use; not that your ideas are valid.

                Most people are going to be using MS Office or Google Docs so our views don't really matter. The only thing I agree with what you actually said is the lack of competition and the choices being Google or Microsoft. The rest of what you said,

                you're wrong,it's all relative, it's a matter of taste, it's good enough etc
                are the same reasons that anyone picks anything regardless if it's an office suite or clothing or food or porn. That looks better to me (taste), that does what I need it to (good enough), they all accomplish the same goals for my needs (all relative)...except for you're wrong (a choice out of spite or rebellion...needs more context), all of those are the same personal opinions we'd use to make an informed decision based on our needs regardless of topic.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

                  I wish WPS and FreeOffice/SoftMaker Office had a baby, as I like WPS's more modern ribbon better than the older ribbon in Free/Soft (still better than endless menus though!), but I like the robustness of Free/Soft better: it's more stable and a lot less buggy.
                  I wished Libreoffice would pick up a few of WPS office's features, mainly tabbed documents and using client side decorations to place them. Their ribbon interface (the "tabbed" user interface) works well for me and is imo more or less on par already. Why they don't want to use CSD is a mystery to me though...they use GTK and everything else in the GTK world, even Firefox and Chrome, plus all the other offices, including MS Office, use CSD for a while now. Maybe at some point they will reconsider that...

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by treba View Post

                    I wished Libreoffice would pick up a few of WPS office's features, mainly tabbed documents and using client side decorations to place them. Their ribbon interface (the "tabbed" user interface) works well for me and is imo more or less on par already. Why they don't want to use CSD is a mystery to me though...they use GTK and everything else in the GTK world, even Firefox and Chrome, plus all the other offices, including MS Office, use CSD for a while now. Maybe at some point they will reconsider that...
                    LibreOffice does use client-side decoration. It's just a standard GTK titlebar.

                    Chrome doesn't really use GTK by the way other than to read colours.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
                      ROFL

                      For me, I'm the one making and sending out documents. Libre works just fine for me because because I export everything to PDF first. I can say "it's good enough" because, for my needs, it actually is. Damn near any office suite will suit my needs so that really isn't saying too much. If "export to/save as PDF" works with Adobe Reader, the office suite suits my needs.
                      You try to defend Libre office but you kind of repeat urban myths, maybe 1 2 years ago I would have said the same advice because I did not know it better, but MS Office can perfectly fine open and save ODF Files. Therefor you just can send people your odf files, except you want for some reason create pdfs like better readability, but it sounds that you have to because else other people can't view it.

                      And if somebody sends you a docx file, you should tell him that he should save it as odf, again easy to do in MS Office if the person is not very verse with computers there are easy guides to do it that you can link to in the mail lika that:
                      https://support.office.com/en-us/art...4-ea06b7df3b0e

                      Techy people will probably try to work around by either run ms office in wine or convert it or do some other shit to open the docx file, but that is not really a moral thing A it costs you likely more time than the other person and B the other person don't learn that there exist something outside the MS Universe and C they learn that MS Office Format is not accepted everywhere. So they learn that if they use MS Office they get this strange emails from many people that ask them to save it in a different format, so they don't feel that ohhh I use MS Office all works without problems idea because others waste hours to transform their garbage formats. And it's so minimal to do that even if the power dynamic is not in your favor if you are not communicating with a total choleric they will do this small step for you. And they probably remember to send you in the future always the correct version.

                      Of course that would not scale if somebody would want to send you 100 or 500 office documents it's not plausible to open them and save them again for each of them, but that is not a very common scenario.

                      About Libreoffice, they are to conservative, they should either in the odf file format or as addon add git support, and not on the zip file but inside it or the uncompressed file so that a diff would give you meaningful data and each commit is not just a 100% new file that replaces the old one but only adds the changes. Even if you would not see the changes in a useful manner, having a "go back to 2 versions before because I made a mistake between the last 2 saves, would be a major feature probably much more easy to implement than the vulcan shit. And they should give people access to the files in a non "WYSIWYG" way because that is more efficient and less distracting, editing content and formation should not be mengeled together at least not exclusively but that is more difficult task for the start a included .git directory in each odf zip would help a lot.

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