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  • George99
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    Originally posted by whitecat View Post

    Have you found a way to launch apps for the desktop icons on Gnome 3 ?
    If yes, please tell me how !!
    It's just a simple drag and drop from the applications menu. Then right click the icon on the desktop and allow to start it.

    To be fair you have to use the (still beta, Xorg mode required for this feature) next generation desktop-icons extension instead of the official Gnome one: https://extensions.gnome.org/extensi...icons-ng-ding/
    And of course activate the applications menu

    If you prefer the official Gnome desktop-icons extension you still can copy the *.desktop file by hand from /usr/share/applications to ~/desktop
    Last edited by George99; 02-02-2020, 10:23 PM.

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  • bash2bash
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    Sad to see you go... please come back, we now have Spins with alternative desktops


    Originally posted by xinorom View Post

    I was one of those Fedora users that switched away for that exact reason. Literally no one on planet earth wants a UI designed for mobile devices when they're using a desktop machine with a big, non-touch monitor. It's absolutely tragic that the best thing GNOME could come up with, after a decade of development, is vastly worse than the thing it was supposed to replace.

    Then there's the whole "let's write it in JavaScript" thing, which even the people involved have mostly since admitted was a huge mistake.

    I'm sure it's not a coincidence that the whole Outreachy initiative started around the same time; recruiting a bunch of low IQ brainlets who care more about following fads and trends than producing long-term, quality software.

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  • xinorom
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    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
    Ah interesting, we are still beating the dead horse...

    Unfortunately for you, I have a very good understanding and opinion about the subject since I'm involved in Fedora and I was there when we switched to gnome3 and Fedora's user base plummeted to unprecedented.... depths...

    Word from higher up the food chain, dictates that gnome3 is forced down everyone's throat, but once everyone realised that Fedora would be a rarity with 0 users, the decision was made to create Spins of other desktops as defaults over gnome3. Wise decision, now Fedora is still around for everyone to enjoy.

    Looking at the statistics, I am sorry to inform you, but gnome3 is clearly a looser user interface. Its user base is a rounding error...
    I was one of those Fedora users that switched away for that exact reason. Literally no one on planet earth wants a UI designed for mobile devices when they're using a desktop machine with a big, non-touch monitor. It's absolutely tragic that the best thing GNOME could come up with, after a decade of development, is vastly worse than the thing it was supposed to replace.

    Then there's the whole "let's write it in JavaScript" thing, which even the people involved have mostly since admitted was a huge mistake.

    I'm sure it's not a coincidence that the whole Outreachy initiative started around the same time; recruiting a bunch of low IQ brainlets who care more about following fads and trends than producing long-term, quality software.
    Last edited by xinorom; 02-02-2020, 04:43 PM.

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  • bash2bash
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    Ah interesting, we are still beating the dead horse...

    Unfortunately for you, I have a very good understanding and opinion about the subject since I'm involved in Fedora and I was there when we switched to gnome3 and Fedora's user base plummeted to unprecedented.... depths...

    Word from higher up the food chain, dictates that gnome3 is forced down everyone's throat, but once everyone realised that Fedora would be a rarity with 0 users, the decision was made to create Spins of other desktops as defaults over gnome3. Wise decision, now Fedora is still around for everyone to enjoy.

    Looking at the statistics, I am sorry to inform you, but gnome3 is clearly a looser user interface. Its user base is a rounding error...

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  • dragon321
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    Originally posted by bash2bash View Post
    Lets be honest, you are just trying to make a terrible user interface appear more... appealing than it really is.

    It is what it is, just about everyone who is a professional developer or power user, agrees that the gnome3 user interface is not suitable for real work. Maybe you are a happy user because your use case is limited, maybe you are supporting gnome3 for your own reasons, I don't know and I don't care, but you have to be honest, the user interface is garbage for usability.

    I switched to Cinnamon, someone else switched to KDE, and lets be honest, gnome3 users are rather rare, but they exist somewhere.

    So why don't we stop beating a dead horse and move on?
    Didn't I just said I also don't like GNOME default UI and use extensions to make it more classic?

    No, it's not what is it. Maybe GNOME3 is garbage to you and to be honest with you too: I don't really care about and respect your opinion but this doesn't mean it's bad to everyone. Did you asked all professionals or powers users what they think about GNOME 3? No? Then how can you talk about "everyone" opinion? It's just your opinion. That's all. You don't even know what I using my desktop for and you have opinion about limited use case because I prefer desktop you hate. Well, I could just said same to you.

    Compare development of your desktop to GNOME and think more about dead horse.

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  • bash2bash
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    Lets be honest, you are just trying to make a terrible user interface appear more... appealing than it really is.

    It is what it is, just about everyone who is a professional developer or power user, agrees that the gnome3 user interface is not suitable for real work. Maybe you are a happy user because your use case is limited, maybe you are supporting gnome3 for your own reasons, I don't know and I don't care, but you have to be honest, the user interface is garbage for usability.

    I switched to Cinnamon, someone else switched to KDE, and lets be honest, gnome3 users are rather rare, but they exist somewhere.

    So why don't we stop beating a dead horse and move on?


    Originally posted by dragon321 View Post
    ...
    If you don't have to find a reason, then why I should go to GNOME page and look at screenshot? I don't have to, I see GNOME on my desktop whenever I turn on my PC. It doesn't have taskbar and classic start menu and what? It's totally unusable because of that? You can't run applications? You can't work in these applications? No. You can do what you can do on your desktop. It's just different approach to using desktop. Classic metaphor isn't the only one and best of all. Even if GNOME isn't using classic metaphor OOTB, there is still classic session which mimics GNOME 2 with classic menu and taskbar. Nobody forces you to throw away your habits even on GNOME 3. Isn't Linux about customization? Don't you customize your desktop? Why we are talking about desktop from GNOME page when it's easy to change?
    ...

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  • dragon321
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    Two or three years ago I spent weeks getting a nice Gnome desktop setup just the way I liked. A few days later an update happened that broke half of the extensions I was using. Don't ask exact names or versions. I don't remember. All I know is everything I got came from the official Gnome extension page.

    And about the official Gnome extension page...give me a link that shows the difference between an official extension and an unofficial extension. I see sort by Name, Recent, Downloads, & Popularity. I see everything lumped into 119 pages. Then I clicked on About where I found this:

    So, according to that, there are no official Gnome extensions. By supported Gnome extensions, do you mean "extensions made by Gnome developers"? If that's yes, do you honestly expect people to cross-reference Gnome developers with extension developers and to only use an extension when there's an overlap?

    FWIW, half the crap on the KDE extension page doesn't work because it's old. What sucks is that same stuff is available in Plasma OOTB via Discover and a some website isn't needed. My Plasma desktop doesn't run 3rd party stuff from the official Plasma getting shit place or the official Plasma "some website".

    I don't like relying on extensions regardless of the desktop environment. Gnome, to sufficiently operate like how I'd want a computer to operate, won't do that without multiple plugins, so I don't like Gnome.

    I don't have to try to find a reason. Go to gnome.org and look at their screenshot. It doesn't have a fucking taskbar and the "start menu" is full screen. Gnome shows me why I don't like it right from the very first image on their website.
    As I though, you think GNOME 3 is bad because years ago some extensions broke after update. It's not very hard to see which extension is from GNOME developers. First - this page is mainly for unofficial extensions as official mainly reside in repo and comes with GNOME 3 itself (I don't know if all official extensions are available in this page). Second - see source of the extension and check if it's on GNOME Gitlab. That's all. It's only hard when you want it to be hard.

    If you don't have to find a reason, then why I should go to GNOME page and look at screenshot? I don't have to, I see GNOME on my desktop whenever I turn on my PC. It doesn't have taskbar and classic start menu and what? It's totally unusable because of that? You can't run applications? You can't work in these applications? No. You can do what you can do on your desktop. It's just different approach to using desktop. Classic metaphor isn't the only one and best of all. Even if GNOME isn't using classic metaphor OOTB, there is still classic session which mimics GNOME 2 with classic menu and taskbar. Nobody forces you to throw away your habits even on GNOME 3. Isn't Linux about customization? Don't you customize your desktop? Why we are talking about desktop from GNOME page when it's easy to change?

    I don't like default KDE look. I don't like default GNOME look as well. Aside from full screen app list (it's a lot easier and more comfortable to me to search apps using search, than to scroll small menu) I have classic desktop and desktop icons. I don't remember desktop break after update and I'm using rolling release distros, not some long term stable ones.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by dragon321 View Post

    Ever got such situation or we are now speaking about possible situations? Please don't talk me about extension XYZ which stopped working after update. Yeah, extensions sometimes breaks. Mostly unofficial extensions. Desktop icons isn't unofficial extension (again it's not 3rd party extension from some website) and official extensions are maintained by GNOME developers which possibly know if GNOME Shell update gonna break their extensions so they update it with shell. I can't remember situation after desktop icons extension break after update.

    It seems you just don't like GNOME 3 and try to find reasons why GNOME 3 is bad. Calling official GNOME extension "some 3rd party extension from some website" is proof about it. I can speak about your desktop environment like "my Linux won't run 3rd party desktop from some website".



    I can't see if it's harder than installing your favorite applications. It's well documented and easy to find. It's on first page of Google when you write "gnome 3 desktop icons". Aside from that, some distributions has this extension in repository so you don't have to install it from extensions page.
    Two or three years ago I spent weeks getting a nice Gnome desktop setup just the way I liked. A few days later an update happened that broke half of the extensions I was using. Don't ask exact names or versions. I don't remember. All I know is everything I got came from the official Gnome extension page.

    And about the official Gnome extension page...give me a link that shows the difference between an official extension and an unofficial extension. I see sort by Name, Recent, Downloads, & Popularity. I see everything lumped into 119 pages. Then I clicked on About where I found this:

    Since extensions are created outside of the normal GNOME design and development process, they are supported by their authors, rather than by the GNOME community. Some features first implemented as extensions might find their way into future versions of GNOME.
    So, according to that, there are no official Gnome extensions. By supported Gnome extensions, do you mean "extensions made by Gnome developers"? If that's yes, do you honestly expect people to cross-reference Gnome developers with extension developers and to only use an extension when there's an overlap?

    FWIW, half the crap on the KDE extension page doesn't work because it's old. What sucks is that same stuff is available in Plasma OOTB via Discover and a some website isn't needed. My Plasma desktop doesn't run 3rd party stuff from the official Plasma getting shit place or the official Plasma "some website".

    I don't like relying on extensions regardless of the desktop environment. Gnome, to sufficiently operate like how I'd want a computer to operate, won't do that without multiple plugins, so I don't like Gnome.

    I don't have to try to find a reason. Go to gnome.org and look at their screenshot. It doesn't have a fucking taskbar and the "start menu" is full screen. Gnome shows me why I don't like it right from the very first image on their website.

    KDE's screenshot:

    Taskbar and floating windows

    Gnome's Screenshot:

    No taskbar and a retarded ass full screen program launcher.

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  • dragon321
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    What part of "we don't want to update our OS which updates Gnome to a version our plugins aren't compatible with which then breaks our desktop unless we either quit using plugins or downgrade Gnome" do you not get or understand?

    I know where to get extensions. Simply put -- my desktop will not rely on 3rd party plugins from some website.
    Ever got such situation or we are now speaking about possible situations? Please don't talk me about extension XYZ which stopped working after update. Yeah, extensions sometimes breaks. Mostly unofficial extensions. Desktop icons isn't unofficial extension (again it's not 3rd party extension from some website) and official extensions are maintained by GNOME developers which possibly know if GNOME Shell update gonna break their extensions so they update it with shell. I can't remember situation after desktop icons extension break after update.

    It seems you just don't like GNOME 3 and try to find reasons why GNOME 3 is bad. Calling official GNOME extension "some 3rd party extension from some website" is proof about it. I can speak about your desktop environment like "my Linux won't run 3rd party desktop from some website".

    Originally posted by Mez' View Post
    I suppose that for most people here it is easy to manage through it. But for user lambda it's not that easy. First he has to be aware that he can install extensions. It's not exactly explained anywhere after a fresh install. Then where to get and install them (not even mentioning it's weird to do it from a browser).
    That's an active approach involved here that could already be a dealbreaker for some.
    I can't see if it's harder than installing your favorite applications. It's well documented and easy to find. It's on first page of Google when you write "gnome 3 desktop icons". Aside from that, some distributions has this extension in repository so you don't have to install it from extensions page.

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  • Charlie68
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    Originally posted by brent View Post
    For whatever reason, Canonical's developers (or just Daniel?) are *still* treated as second-class citizen, it seems. I mean, we have various performance-related MRs that have

    * provably and significantly improved performance
    * sometimes, the changes are quite straight forward
    * some of the fine points have been discussed and feedback has been incorporated etc.
    * the authors have been responsive and attentive
    * have gotten positive reviews by established maintainers

    And they're still not getting merged!

    For instance: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutte...e_requests/575

    This has been dragging on for around 8 months. Daniel van Vugt certainly has patience. Most people would have given up by now. Not sure what's going on, but I've been following MRs to mutter and gnome-shell and various other developers appear to receive far less scrutiny. Some of the established maintainers basically merge their MRs without proper review, even.
    Not so much the Canonical developers are treated as second class, it is Canonical which for several reasons has not been very collaborative in the past. Each company is free to behave as it wishes, but then the attitude of the "community" towards these developers is normal for it to be distrustful.
    I could give many examples, but it is known that Canonical's upstream contribution over the years has been almost irrelevant, now they are making some upstream contributions to Gnome, but in the meantime Canonical is enjoying the work that Gnome devs have done, don't forget it!

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